Maddening Wrestling Takes

Pmike (00:00.866)
Hey Madhouse, welcome back to Madden in Wrestling Takes. This week we'd like to dedicate this episode to the memory of Sabu, ECW original. Our condolences go out to Sabu, all his fans and his family.

That being said, it's time to get into it. Let's start with Raw. Alright. Right off the bat, look at that boy just jumping in. Yeah. I'm not sick anymore. We're better. He's not sick. No playing around, nothing. We're gonna get right to it.

Pmike (00:38.99)
Yeah, eventually. Shut up. Punk kicked off the show saying that he was upset that Heyman betrayed him at WrestleMania. Then Seth came out. Well, he said he was most upset with himself. Because Heyman's, yeah, he said the first I'm mad at the most is me. Because we've seen this before. Heyman's betrayed CM Punk before and he's saying all this. We know this is what happens. Yeah, then Seth comes out and he said what you have been saying since...

the WrestleMania predictions is that Paul is Punk's best friend in the whole wide world and he put him in hell trying to pick between Roman Reigns and CM Punk. How about that? Shut up. Way to go. Way to go me. Shut up.

then they get... Then Breaker comes out and starts attacking Punk. If I remember correctly. Yeah, cause then Sammy made the save and you're like, who's the third person? Then they start winning over those two. And made the save. You're like, who's gonna be the third person? I'm like, don't wish for it, cause if a third one comes out with Jay there, it's gonna be Logan Paul. Thank God it didn't happen. I think Sammy's gonna do a shield. Seth and...

Breaker retreated. I think Sammy's gonna pull a Seth in the shield. And we got, don't think so. And then we got the Saturday Night's Main Event as we predicted last week. Punk and Uso versus Sammy Uso. Shut up, that was not what you meant. That is 100 % what I meant. Shut up. Versus Breaker and Rollins. Try to cover your mistakes. He got dubbed Sammy Uso.

Okay. Well, it's funny because all his stuff still says Sammy Zane, so... Well, that's their When the other guy that's jumping in to save them is Jey Uso, you can't call Sammy Uso.

Pmike (02:45.326)
Alright. that was, I mean that was really the only big...

I Becky had a promo about Lyra. But promo wise, was all they really did. Other than that, was just some good matches. Good matches. Penta defeated Chad... excuse me.

Chad Gable. And unmasked El Grande Americano, if you will. Nope, Yes, yes, Chad Gable. Two completely different people. You are so... You are such the color commentator on this crap. If you look at their models in the game, El Grande Americano is much tanner than Chad Gable. okay, so when we're just making something up physically that, you know, isn't really there, just computer renderings, that's what makes the difference of the two? Yep. You're killing me. You...

Wade Barrett and Pat McAfee are killing me with this. would love to be in a room with those two. my goodness. AJ Styles and Finn Balor put on a phenomenal match. Pun intended? No. well there it was anyway. I'm really hoping that they get Finn and AJ together out of this. I think they're going to. I hope so. I did see a cartoon that I liked Finn staring in the mirror for a second and it turned into the demon and it said, you did it your way and it didn't work.

Let me do it mine. Interesting. So I'm hoping... They've been teasing it for like since the beginning of the year. Right, so I'm hoping we either get AJ and Finn or Demon Finn. I need one of those two to come out of this. good. The good Demon Finn. Yeah, or it's a complete... Yeah, not the versus... rules. Not versus to sell. Right. Remember when we went to Extreme Rules and he... Oh God. beat him? Because the rope broke and that was one of the stupid... So sad. Take Ace to his first...

Pmike (04:31.224)
premium live event that dumbass ending has to It was my travel chief, I was happy. May not have been your favorite ending, but it was my travel chief retain- I would have been happy with either winning. I was gonna say, I think you were the only person in the building that was okay with that ending. American Maid defeated the War Raiders with the help of New Day on commentary. God, New Day on commentary is my favorite part of RAW, if I'm being honest with you. really? Yeah.

That might be my maddening take. They're alright. They're hilarious. They're entertaining. Woods. Sorry. Woods, yeah. God, you're getting names mixed up. I realize that that's name. I understand that's his name, but the timing you have on this is impeccable because we're talking about the Creed Brothers wrestling.

Pmike (05:19.502)
on with the show Rhea Ripley and Eoskai defeat Roxanne Perez and Julia absolutely great match that was a nasty dropkick match like full of them there were a good like handful of jaw-breaking drop kicks in that match great all four of these women are outstanding I know people three of them are outstanding the other one is decent who's decent Rhea ouch that is your girl

Can I believe you're talking? You were all on the rear bandwagon like, I don't know, 27 hours ago. When the hell did all this start? Cause she's still in the title picture. That doesn't mean she's not good. She's not that good compared to those three. She's just a different style when you compare to those three. I mean you have the high flying with EO, the technical prowess and the speed with Julia. Roxanne gives you a little of both of those. Exactly.

Ria gives you a power game that none of the other three bring. So when you're looking at the women's division, they're probably four of the best because they represent different aspects of it. I suppose. But after that, Roxanne Perez and Julia are broken up. They're done with. That heartbreaking to me. I know. Absolutely heartbreaking. Mostly because Julia is on SmackDown now and we're going to see Raw.

Pmike (06:42.262)
yeah that's heart breaking can you tell me not to jump the gun? we're not even on 9XT yet I was heartbroken at that one that one had to be brought up I almost almost shed a tear right here while we're talking shut up they can't see we don't have video yet man I you were gonna say when you text me or when I where were you? picking Tori up yeah cuz I was watching it was like a good half hour maybe not even

let me sidetrack on that real quick. has nothing to do with wrestling, but just a little side note for anybody following us on socials. Hopefully our social presence is going to get a little more dynamic. My daughter Tori is going to start doing some video editing for us as far as our social stuff goes, graphic editing. I found out yesterday as I was fumbling around trying to post the teaser for this episode, Tori came over to talk to me, over my shoulder and like, do you want help with that?

And then she just sat down and made it look a lot better than I could in like 20 seconds. So I'm gonna let her start working with us. So hopefully we'll look prettier for you guys too. And then we're gonna put video up so we won't look as pretty anymore. Because those of you who know us know. You won't look pretty. Back to wrestling. But I was gonna say something. Oh yeah, we were watching like that half hour SmackDown. I text you, I say...

newest member of SmackDown's roster, Julia. You go, what? Yeah, I was not happy about that. was so excited that Roxy and Julia were on Raw and we were going to see Raw next month? June 23rd. It's almost a month from now. Yeah, so we're gonna go see Raw in Columbus. And I was like, all excited I get to see Julia live. We've seen Roxy live. Is it Columbus or Toledo? Columbus.

Yeah, we saw Roxy's first ever WWE match. Yeah, that was outstanding. We happened to be on vacation in Florida. Ace and I, the week we were there, one NXT was taping two shows per week. Well, they still are. They're still doing LFG. No, they would tape two NXT episodes. Would they? Yeah. I don't think they did. All right, maybe not. They did Level Up. That's that's right, okay. So we happened to be there and got-

Pmike (09:03.608)
tickets to the show and went and we're watching level up and Roxanne Perez who I knew was Rox C from Booker T's promotion so I knew she was coming in but I'd never seen her before. That was her first ever match in WWE. And we saw Dakota Kai's last match before she got released and then came back with damage control. And then got released again. We're gonna start calling her Yo-Yo Kai. She'll come back again. She's gone. She's back. She's gone.

Wait, no, she's like from down under she could be like boomerang, NXT That was better than a yo-yo NXT go on go on. What's your turn? I you started it by saying NXT. Yeah to cut you off. that's but Femi actually start out with the no quarter catch crew Talking about

Pmike (10:06.853)
Seriously. Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba. That way can find this. So we start out with a no quarter catch crew. In the ring and Miles Bourne making a speech about, you know, being born partially deaf and it affected his speech and he doesn't want to be known for his disability. He wants to be known for his ability. But I'm sorry by saying that on the air.

You are 100 % known for your disability. I don't get it. I don't understand. I understand why they're emphasizing it because that's honestly how you should view people, being partially deaf so they're worse off. But by saying that in this context, I think it is going to work the exact opposite way and all people are going to talk about is no matter what he does, he's just going to be that brave wrestler who goes out there half deaf and tries to cut problems.

Stephanie Vakir's boyfriend. Lucky, lucky man. That leads to. Oba Femi. Yeah. And Charlie Dempsey. Charlie Dempsey gets mopped. No, I don't think that's the case. Charlie Dempsey put on as much of a clinic as he could. Because Book was saying at the beginning of this how he was going to get mopped and then halfway through the match, Book's like, wow, he's putting on a show here on how to technically wrestle. And then Oba.

They came over and just caught him and then that was the end but you he held his own. That little we'll go back to that catch as catch can thing that we talked about before. Oh yeah, I'm like what are you on about? Um, then Ethan Page came out to uh... to... to challenge Miles Bourne for his number one contender. That was before the Femi match. Oh was it? Yeah. Oh. Um... And Miles Bourne defeats Ethan Page to retain...

his number one contendership why do you seem confused about that? i think it's dumb that you put the number one contendership on the line but he did people do that all the time people put their spot as the number one contender on the line they put their money in the bank contract on the line retain just means keep it doesn't mean have anything to do with the title necessarily so he did retain his number one contendership it's just weird um it happens oh, Bafemi beat Charlie Dempsey we already said that

Pmike (12:28.878)
Yo Hendry and Trick Williams contract signing. Yeah, Hendry is killing it with these promos on this. Did you see what's happening Tuesday? Hendry concert? really? Willie concert. yeah. Yeah, Trick's gonna rap. And Hendry, yeah I did see that. I forgot about that. They actually announced that I think on NXT. Yeah, those musical, don't get me wrong, Hendry's are always good.

Elijah's Elijah slash Elias they were always fairly entertaining but slash Ezekiel yeah but sometimes they just they don't work out we'll see what trick does you have a battle rap versus an acoustic guitar set I'm not sure how that's flow Wesley who's new or not new faction but faction is newly crowned the high rise high rise thank you for remembering what it's called

the feast on the angel with the action from stacks who is at rizzo's at rizzo's safe house because he was the underboss he knows where all the safe houses are and then later in the show tony d runs down to the safe house you know to save rizzo because if stacks is at the safe house talking to tony while he's in the ring and stacks was going to do something to riz tony had plenty of time to leave

NXT get in a car drive over there and stop him before he did anything right makes perfect sense We don't question We don't have the undertaker. We don't question timing. We just don't question things. Okay, so we and Saks beats him down with a shovel and challenges him to a match a battleground, right? Is it is it for the family control or is it just? I'm not completely sure. Okay, it might be for family control

Well, because he said it's going to be the end of the D'Angelo family, so it might just be... This might be Tony's blow-off and then his call-up with what we'll talk about a little bit later with the draft. Yes.

Pmike (14:32.845)
Tatum Paxley. dude, she So way to utilize firing your people. Right? Way to utilize firing your people into a storyline. Paxley's just all pissed off because none of her friends ever stay around and Thea Hale's all happy and friendly and blah blah blah blah blah and she doesn't like this and so she snaps. Like snap snaps. Like, Thea has her in the kimora, right? Yeah.

and then Tatum just gouges her eyes and doesn't stop. Right, she just slowly runs her hand up Fia's face until her thumb gets to her eye and then she just starts pushing it. And she doesn't stop. No, no, not She gets disqualified. Right. And then keeps beating on her. Right. We missed Fatal Influence coming down and talking about Stephanie Valcour. we did miss that. Jordan Grace and how...

it doesn't matter which one of them wins cuz fatal influence is going to take the title off one of them. They're not. I don't know, they could. I would personally I would let at least Jordan simmer in NXT for a little while, her stay down there for a little bit. But a fatal influence takes the title off these two. I mean both of them I think are main event ready. Roster. Yeah, that too. Main roster ready. already are in the main event. Valkorra and Grace, I think they're both ready to go to Raw or SmackDown.

but i think you need to keep at least one of them there because i don't think you can take both of them and Julia and Roxy and still boast that strong of a women's division

was gonna say something. Go ahead, that's what we're here for. No, I was gonna say something about the maddening takes, how we didn't have one, and then we were talking about the best women's division, and the best tag Right, we did talk about all that. we came up with our own maddening takes, we'll get to it. Mine kinda shocked you little bit, so I can't wait to share it. that's great.

Pmike (16:31.17)
I remember yours. Stephanie and Jordan teamed up in the main event of that NXT to defeat Fatal Influence. Yeah. So that, and that main event's going to be at this coming week or next weekend, The 26th. Memorial Day weekend. Yes. Okay. So next Saturday,

NXT PLE so and Saturday night's main event. Yeah, so they are they both on Saturday. There's one on Sunday. I think it's a PLE on Sunday. I think no, I you think Saturday night's main events on Sunday is the PLE on Sunday. Wait one. Main Saturday night's main event is not a PLE. We've been over this 100 goddamn times. Then why is it on peacock?

Because that's their distributing right because when Saturday night's main event was on originally it was on NBC on Saturday nights WWE Battleground

Pmike (17:35.448)
just a quick question for you how many rustle manias they have here? two? no no that's two nights only one rustle mania it's still rustle mania 41 okay how many summer slams they have here? one how many backlashes? one how many saturday nights main events? they've had two yeah so it's not a PLE

This makes for an interesting talk. It's like a date. my goodness. That'll help. Sunday, May 25th. How about that? Alright. Shut up!

Okay, so... Alright. Alright, well onto SmackDown. Yeah. Alright, onto SmackDown. So we get our first Money in the Bank qualifiers? We sure do. We have Solo Sakowa, Rey Fenix, and Jimmy Uso. Big Jim. Big Jim? Losers. Yeah. Well I... I didn't expect them. 100%. It was one of the other two. 100 % I guess is like...

He was 100 % sold on Phoenix. I was, I was, I really I was like, no, I don't know, because I could write a better storyline both ways and I think Phoenix is going to end up tagging with Penta. And I just think it's a missed opportunity if you don't have both of them in that ladder match. I mean, don't, the spots would be insane, don't get me wrong, but storyline wise, it makes more sense for Solo. But no one wants Solo.

I understand that, we're building to Solo versus Jacob, so... why would him getting money in the bank? I don't know. Jacob being a secondary champion and Solo going for the main championship or Solo doing something off wall and crazy and cashing it in on Jacob. Okay, Austin Theory was dumb. Yeah. Solo is not that dumb. Man, did you see the promo this week? Trying Yeah, Ramin! Trying to...

Pmike (19:28.738)
to take jacob's catchphrases he too bright either although he did bring in bring in jeff cobb his name is jeff cobb this actually says right here jc matteo formerly jeff cobb i'll be a little bitter about that for a while i really like jeff cobb and we didn't talk about who won solo won we did we said solo getting it in the money in the bank i don't think we did we were just talking about why talking about i it's a better storyline for him to be in it

How do you do? Come on. Women's Money in the Bank Qualifiers. We have Kelsey Green, another woman, and Alexa Bliss. Another woman? I don't remember who it was. I'm gonna keep it a buck. Wow. Do you? Oh, me too. There you go. And another woman.

Sorry, Meachan. Sorry, Keithley. We didn't mean anything bad about Keithley, please come back. We miss you. Alexa Bliss became the first woman to qualify. I'm really glad that they're giving Lexi her push. You know, I think she deserves it. Yes. No matter what. She's one of the very few. Hey, she's been champion a few times, but I'm still okay with her being in the main event picture because she's been underutilized before she had the baby. And since she came back, she's this is what her second or third appearance. She came back at the Rumble.

Rumble and then she teamed up with Zelina yeah so this is her third appearance and she came back um I saw a tweet or ex post want. We still call them tweets sorry. Okay um sorry Elon. That says um said something about this grandmother Alexa Bliss. Oh yeah she's she's the youngest one in the match. And the comments on that said well actually she's the youngest one in the match.

Chelsea was like, I'm older than she is. Right. What do we want to talk about? We talk about Solo and Jacob's little talk in the ring. Solo coming out and saying how he had to bring in JC. JC Matteo. And so he helped retain the championship.

Pmike (21:43.438)
Because he's... Did he start saying all gas and no brakes on that one? He did. And then Jacob stopped him. And Jacob took the mic and stopped him. Yeah. Alright, started talking about he was gonna do this no matter what, blah blah blah. He says, I'm gonna do this all by myself without you. Yadda mean? Well, he tried to say that. And then Solo went, Yadda mean? Like, it was really high pitched, too. Yeah, Solo says it twice and they talk about...

He's like, yes, yes, we know what you mean. They talk about bringing JC in. Then LA Knight interrupts and him and JC have a match. Well, LA Knight also interrupted at the Money in Bank Qualifier.

came out swinging the chair yeah after the money on the table and that's Aldis said okay we'll have a match between you guys yeah and it was a little little bit disappointing for me knowing what cops capable of that's because they they're pushing night I know which they've been pushing night for a while and I'm sorry I'm bored yeah I'm bored with LA night that's how I am with Ripley

But we did get to see a couple impressive power moves from JC Mateo. Like that power slam that he turns around and does the thing. Which is his... we did also see something new from Ellie Knight. Did we? That springboard to the outside to take out Solo and Jacob. huh.

That's not a standard LA night thing. got some distance. That's to go off the top ropes. The ropes. The springboard to the outside. He got some distance. I was watching reactions even Santi was like, whoa, when did he start doing that? Really? Yeah. And immediately after that, he goes off the top rope. JC catches him and hits him with the tour of the islands, which if you don't know what the tour of the islands is,

Pmike (23:43.406)
He basically stops, he goes almost for a power slam, stops the momentum and then goes backwards so the guy's feet are spinning around and slam, you have to look it up. It's the amount of- Tore of the island. he takes you- Oh, tore. Tore. I thought like past tense of tear. No, like tore. Like he takes you over here and then spins it all the way back around. Okay, that makes a lot more sense. And he's Hawaiian, so he's the Tore of the

That does make like 100 % sense. Right, so you guys just look up this move, look up the finish to the LA Night Match, or just look up Jeff Cobb Tour of the Islands, or Jeff Cobb Highlights, what I showed you the other day is him and Bronson And dude just throwing Bronson Reed, like holding him in the air and then just throwing him over his head, which is crazy because Bronson is a large, large man.

He's not a small guy. Right. then we have R-Truth sit down with Wade Barrett. Truth basically said, that's my childhood hero, And Wade goes, he put you through a table, buddy. But you don't understand, Wade. Anytime you doubt yourself, what do you hear? John Cena's there for you. Never give up. And he said the John Cena that put me through the table is not the John Cena I know.

And if I have to whip the old John Cena out of him, I guess I will. I hope he does. It's going to be so entertaining. If anybody turns Cena back face, it's going to be true. true. Confirmed match for Saturday night's main event, by the way. Right, right. And then main event, Tiffany Stratton retains Naya Jatt. She gets to keep Naya? Yep. Awesome.

thought we did away with that years ago. Shut up! We cannot keep that in. we can.

Pmike (25:41.144)
So was a chaotic match that saw interference from Naomi and Jade Cargill and a severe injury to Jax due to a mishandled chair shot. Yeah, did you see that? No, I did not. my god. I was so tired that night and I could not possibly care less about an hijacked I went to bed and saw the replay. Okay. Basically, I think it was Tiffy. You know how they have the chair in front of their head and someone drops cakes on them? It like, phew, like hard. It was bad.

And she was, she started bleeding like instantly. Oops. That's what you get for punching Becky in the face all those years ago. That's karma. Right. Breaking her nose. There you go. Oh good God. I hope it doesn't do for Nia what it did for Becky. Cause that lawn sure. Yeah. That's what made Becky Becky. Which is weird. And that's our, that's that's WWE. That's our WWE recap. are flying through here. We better have some stuff to talk about later. Why? How much time we got? We got about 30 minutes in.

Well, alright we're cool, we're cool. Then we'll start going slower. Okay. So, for our... first match, you know what, you take away, you take away. Take off. Are we on Dynamite? Yeah. Alright, it's time for AEW Dynamite. It's Wednesday, you know what that means. We're the best wrestle. Says Ospreay. No, that's their tagline, we're the best wrestle. Well, Ospreay seems to think so. Well, we'll get to that later too. I know. People see the name, people see the name of the...

episode then we're gonna talk about it. just upsetting. So will Osprey and Hangman Page take on Kenosuke Takeshita and Josh Alexander? They... It was a good match. I... I liked the finish. Yeah, it was alright. Hidden Blade and Buckshot combo? Yeah. That's deadly. It is. I just... I don't like Cowboy. Or Hangman? Whatever. Yeah, he's a cowboy. Whatever. He is. I just don't like it.

The more I watch My Name is Earl, the more I... that's all I see. I like his moveset. I don't like his gimmick. I like the guy. So you like Logan Paul's... ...moveset? Yeah! Because it's essentially Hangman's. I know. Okay. Except I just don't like Logan Paul... Like, same. I like... Except Logan has a bunch better finisher now. Right. What was his finisher? just the punch to the face. yeah, he did the... That's right. The one lucky punch. Yeah. that was dumb.

Pmike (28:07.278)
But yeah, I like... Bangman. I think if he had a different gimmick, I'd love him. I just don't like him because of the gimmick. And that's what weighs down some of these wrestlers for me. I don't know, just... I don't like... I don't like... Maybe. I'd have to see him in a different gimmick because I don't like his interview style. I don't like... Just his whole persona. Just the way he carries himself. There's just something about him I don't enjoy. Like... Matt Riddle. I didn't like his gimmick.

He was good in ring. I don't know that was a gimmick for Riddle. That was pretty much Riddle. Until Seth started talking about his family. So, AEW. No, no, no. I'll let you take the wheel for this one. AEW, we're the best wrestle. We have Ricochet and Zach Gowen. Now, I give Zach all For those of you who don't know. Zach's a one-legged wrestler.

I give Zack all the credit in the world for going out there and doing what he does and, you know, being in the ring and more athletic than I could be on two legs without question. However, Ricochet is one of the best high flyers in wrestling, still. And they have him against this guy who we have not really seen of, heard of since Lesnar threw him down a flight of stairs. Guess we all thought he was dead. Right. And then...

Top it off.

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever He's bald. He's bald. John Moxley's bald. Nobody's saying a damn word about that. Mark Briscoe's bald. least Ricochet can wrestle. Right. So that puts him a step above Mox. But whatever. A couple steps actually. And, Matt and Nick, care. He can cut a better promo than Mox. That's pretty close. It's like... So the Hurst Syndicate versus Top Flight. Kind of.

Pmike (30:34.264)
Cause the hurt syndicate, again. It's like, it's squash matches at this point. me a tag team in AEW. Bring in, you know what, release Tamatanga and Tangalowa. Give Shut up. They are not getting released until I get my goddamn match. Bring FTR, man. Start putting FTR up again. Somebody besides commentators and second rank talent. They're both heals, that wouldn't make sense. Are the hurt syndicate doesn't care?

That's a point. They won't hurt people. don't care who they are. After the match, Sorry, my bad, my bad. And I'm the one who caused this problem. I was still talking. You were done. Dustin Rhodes and Sammy Guevara come out. I remember my hot take. Confronting the champs. And then the crew- crew, not the crew. Crew comes out and says, Leo Rush goes-

Lashley, on account of our history, you should just give us a title shot. So they're gonna have a match on collision for number one contendership for the titles. Who? Sammy Guevara and Dustin Rhodes and crew. Okay, sorry, it was a little vague the way you worded it. Oh, my bad. Then the MVP gets a signal that we're 30 seconds away from commercial break. Oh my god. How do you, how does your broadcast and-

We'll get into some technical issues with AEW on the next show, but how do your technical issues start here with, you know, the guy in the saying, hey, that dude's telling me I'm 30 seconds away from commercials, so we're just going to kind of eat a little time here and we'll take care of this other crap when we get back. Damn, you guys are beyond professional. It's for the best wrestle, not where the best produce. Then after that commercial break, MVP orders.

orders Maxwell Jacob Friedman to get out there. the whole show they've been hitting that MVP is gonna get what he deserves finally. MVP is gonna get what he deserves. No. Nope, not MVP. MJF. You know what I'm saying. agreed. You know what saying. I heard the M. That's all that's important. Just go. Okay. Then his music plays. Shut up. His music plays. He doesn't come out. He's nowhere to be found. So Shelton...

Pmike (32:58.382)
runs backstage to go find him. We see Tony Khan. All coked out. He's here! here! Look! Right here! Right here! here! He's here! Up behind me! He's here! Like that little yippy dog on the old cartoons. It's just like he was bouncing up and down when we were talking. Hey, Spike! Where are we gonna go? Come on, Spike! Come on! MJF goes, Oh, hey, Shelton! I've been looking all over for ya! Well, at least MJF coming up from Tony Khan's table, we understand how he still has his job. That's crazy.

We'll get into maddening takes later. That's ridiculous.

Pmike (33:44.449)
And then what seemed to be the longest thumbs up or down ever.

Pmike (34:04.59)
hearts people baby he's in this indicate well he got the approval okay the official which is i think i think something fishy is going to go on there can i tell you what's going to go on there do you know what's going to happen i got a good good idea what's going to go on because something else happened between that show and the next show oh yes not on air oh but something else happened cedric alexander's 90 day no compete clause expired

Hmm. Wow. So the entire Hurt Business is able to now be all the entire Hurt Syndicate and MJF is gonna be SOL.

Don't look at me like that. don't know what that means. Shit, outta luck.

Yeah, that's about it for now. No, no, no. Oh, yeah, first of all, there's two matches. We didn't hit I'll go ahead two matches. Yeah, chill out. I'll take oh, yeah, sorry I think that was my favorite part. I'll my favorite part. I thought we were done. All right, so being done. That's your favorite part. No, the hurt. It was my favorite. So

I'll take this. Don't start with me, boy. Minashirakawa defeated Toni Storm. She actually pinned her. A-Z-M? I don't- they said her name.

Pmike (35:31.256)
and a returning sky blue in her hometown. And she doesn't win. Yeah, and she doesn't win. But, Mina Shirakawa pins Tony Storm. Who is now 12-1 in Yes, who lost her first eliminator match and Mina Shirakawa is now the number one contender. Double or nothing. Right. We'll see how that happens. And the other match that just somehow slipped my son's mind was... Well, because it was the first one on our recap and I didn't want to start with the main event. Because it has a fire symbol beside it because it was such a great match.

So it was we had our main event championship match, John Moxley versus Samoa Joe inside a steel cage and shock of all shocks. Samoa Joe loses. I just, I was going to say Mox was bleeding. Because at this point I really think he's going to be in a promo battle sometime. Go blade. Somebody's going to say something that hurts his feelings and it's going to make his forehead bleed. He should do that. That'd be funny. So.

that make me go to another a w so after the match that we will raise the cage good guys come down trying to help bad guys come down gave kid from new japan who gave kid who can stop it okay he's part of the ball club is the actually i believe he's a the leader the war dogs of ball club ball club still exist yes it's in japan it still exists will it ever go away probably not okay

So just because you don't pay attention to everything, don't say like, who, who, you sound like all these internet morons when they were talking about Jeff Cobb. Who? What? Stop it. That's annoying as shit and I hate that. anyway, Gabe Kid comes down and I guess essentially joins the Death Riders. So Hobbs tried to make the save, Young Bucks came down, Kenny Omega tried to make the save, Young Bucks call for the cage to come back down.

Before Kenny gets there, that's right. They called for the cage to come back down because they're the EVP so they can do that. Right. So they get them locked in, Kenny comes in, they're having all these, then the good guy, the bad guys start taking over the good guys because they got the number and Swerve comes down. Cage is down, Swerve comes down, climbs the cage, Swerve stomp on like all the bad guys from the top of the cage. Wait, what? Yeah, he bait, well...

Pmike (37:52.078)
It's like he does a sort of stop and like all the bad guys are together because he's at the top of the cage. So he takes it and then they raise the cage and they all bail out and swerve says essentially what we had exactly talked about at all in they're going to have anarchy in the anarchy in the asylum arena, whatever. Sorry. Anarchy in the asylum was actually an old, uh, TNA thing. Cause when they first started, they wrestled at the Nashville.

fairgrounds and they called the place that they wrestled in the asylum. So sorry, little throwback there in my head. Went back to a history lesson. My head went back to a day when I enjoyed the competitors of WWE. So I will watch that match because it was a startup that was nationally on

as opposed to WWE after WCW and ECW had gone away so there was no other pro wrestling except WWE and then TNA started so it was an alternative to WWE. That's not what it sounded like you said. I said a competitor. I don't think you did, but okay. Yeah, we'll go back and look. need, again, turn the volume up in those things. I their max. alright, we'll have to work on that a little bit then. So, they get...

all this fun stuff and we got the anarchy in the asylum did it again we got the anarchy in the arena the asylum sounds so much better I'll give you that it does it does sound better so but it's not and evidently pockets hurt enough they had to bring Gabe kid into be the extra person for no apparent reason because Gabe kid the war dogs had just fought the young bucks in Japan and then the bucks offered a handshake because the bucks were part of

an early incarnation of the Bullet Club and the war dogs wanted no part of them, they didn't want to be their friends and then like three days later Gabe Kidd shows up to help them. really it was that quick? Yeah it was it was within the week. That's dumb. But you don't know who Gabe Kidd is. I suppose. So most people don't follow New Japan so they don't know that that storyline happened. It's people who pay attention to a bunch of other things like Like you old people. That didn't make sense. I like wrestling dude.

Pmike (40:13.39)
Alright, you take the next show. No, I took all the WWE. Whatever, fine. I'll talk about Collision then. Thank you. So first thing I want to talk about Collision... Alright, let me take the... Hang on, hang on. Shut your mouth. So the first thing I want to talk about Collision is that somewhere in the middle of Collision, the feed just completely messed up and they turned it off and put on one of Rock's movies. That's what I thought. It was Black Adam. They just like... It was halfway through. So... So what...

The one thing I saw online was what happened was I it was on NXT. They played a commercial for an AEW show. Like the CW played a commercial for like AEW bought advertising time and they played it. So then has this thing with the Rock sitting there like in an interview is like, so what I did was I called the people over there and said, okay, shut him off and put my movie on.

So they did put it back, they did put it up on Max. Are we an invasion? They did put it up on Max in a full, the full episode was on. Dude, imagine they're teasing an invasion. They're not teasing an invasion, but it's just hilarious that the movie that they decided to put on was the the Rocks. Right. So Kyle Fletcher defeated AR Fox. Yeah, just skip over the first match. Yeah, was that a match? Oh yeah. Megan Bain and... I'm not impressed with Megan Bain.

She's a bi- she's a big strong girl, but I just don't... I don't know. I don't see much in the ring with her. She dominated the match, ultimately securing the victory. So, Kyle Fletcher and A.R. Fox. A.R. Fox is outstanding. I'm... Uh, in-ring he's outstanding. Mm-hmm. Personality-wise, he's bland. Ricochet. He's kinda... No, Ricochet's bad. It's not... He's... A.R. Fox is like... Vanilla... and...

Ricochet is like... I don't know, like cabbage pudding. Oh. Right? That's the level of Cabbage pudding. Speaking of flavors, I like that ice cream. Dude, we're in middle of the show. So... We go with one of the most random group of people, surprisingly... I was gonna say, he's not no briscoe in this. He's not in there.

Pmike (42:37.006)
so the don callis family now that's not quite as random which is a little random they're all in the callis family lance archer doesn't really fit with those two guys as the pairings you can make from the callis family however

Focus. However, their opponents were Tamahiro Ishii, Bandido, and Brody King. If you look at the entrance when these three guys came down, it's like what happens when you're 2K on line with your friends and you're all using creative characters that you didn't create at the same time. It's crazy. It's like, why the hell are these three people together?

But the three randos end up winning over the Kalis family. What? The three randos end up winning. That's... But the outrunners! Well, post-match, Don Kalis family attempted an assault, but the outrunners who... again, look like bad, creative characters, intervened. That should be the... They look like worse, creative characters. That should be the name of this team. Bad. Call. Just call. We're not gonna explain it, if you know, you know. Call. It just says C-A-W at the bottom, if you know, you know.

That's it. We had Mike Bailey versus one of Brandon's boys and Blake Christian. Who lost? Christian? No, no. I'm sorry. Who lost? Not who lost. Man, your inflection's all over the place. So anyway, Blake Christian lost in case you're completely confused with Ace's lack of knowledge of inflection. Excuse me. After the match, Bailey called out Okada.

before the confrontation occurred he was ambushed by rush and relistico yeah baby i enjoy rush and relistico i forget that they're there sometimes because they're used so sparingly right their faction is kinda used sparingly and i'm like maybe rush was hurt for a little while so they weren't doing anything with them i think he was

Pmike (44:51.694)
And then in Ace's favorite match, tag team match of the night, Dustin Rhodes and Sammy Guevara defeated the crew. Sorry, damn it, now you got me saying it. Defeated crew. To obtain number one competitive. So in an attempt to give me a tag team that I believe could conceivably compete with a Hurts syndicate, they give me 103 year old Dustin Rhodes. Cody's horse brother.

and the guy who nobody cares about other than the fact that he has a hot wife. they're married? Yeah.

They've been married for a while. really? I thought they were just dating. Who are you thinking of? Tay Mello. Yeah, no. See, they've been married for a while. In my actual favorite tag team match, Big Bill and Brian Keith... Keith, okay. Brian Keith defeat the Gates of Agony in a Chicago street fight. Big Bill needs a new name. No. No, I think he's just fine. I'd take Large William over Big Bill. Large William?

think Big Bill's a horrible name. my god. Well I thought it was Stephen at first, but knowing that he's just a comic character, it's funny. know, like... I mean, it's better than J Norma's Willy, but...

Pmike (46:16.898)
That's the only step down you can take with those combinations. So those synonyms, the only thing, the only step down you can take. Big build of ginormous willy. The valvenous gimmick. What? Nah, never mind. Other people out there might get that. You won't. Okay.

That's all I'm saying. The Attitude Era had all kinds of crazy characters. Val Venis was essentially a porn star. Wrestler. That's great. Right? Powerhouse Hobbs defeated Wheeler Yuta. Thank you. Sorry. Gynormous Willie got you all flustered. I can't read anymore. Alright, Powerhouse Hobbs defeated Wheeler Yuta. He dominated Wheeler.

Post-match Marina Chafeir attacked Hobbs, which is silly because Hobbs is a monster and if he really wanted to he could rip Marina Chafeir in half. I don't care what kind of belts Marina Chafeir has if he gets his hands on her he'll twist her neck off. Willow Knight and Galen Ravine to make the save leading to a tense moment with Chris Stattlander observing the situation. Nigel McGuinness accepted FTR's challenge.

Yeah, baby. So the only tag team in my head that is conceivably able to put on a good match and take the titles from the Hurts Syndicate is wrestling and announcer.

He's an announcer, I don't care. He's retired, he's an announcer. He was great, that's awesome. That's like saying... That's like saying if you're wrestling Booker T, that's an announcer. He is. It's a former camp... world champion. So is Jeff Jarrett, that doesn't make him competition.

Pmike (48:00.088)
Just because you used to be good years and years ago doesn't mean you're on the level with the guys who are in there daily now doing it. I'm pretty sure Booker was in the 2022 Royal Rumble. 2020. It would be, and it's more comparable with Nigel McGuinness to say if you said Wade Barrett was just an announcer. right, would it? Yes. And I don't know why Booker was the first. No, he's not. He is. He's a former member of the-

faction that if you can't name the faction you don't get points for this no i know i know the faction name i was just trying to remember if they beat john cena which they did not they got buried by c the nexus okay thank you you can say you remember it but doesn't matter so moxley gave kid and marina shephear have a vignette the nexus moxley declared that kid works for him

and asserting their dominance ahead of the upcoming Anarchy in the Arena. I thought we banned children working. Ha ha ha, cause his last name's Kid, you're funny. Maybe you should, when we're done with the podcast, we'll just start a standup tour. Okay, yeah. Because they were in Chicago.

They also did a Steve Mungo McMichael tribute. I'ma be honest, I don't know who that I know you don't. was a former member of the Four Horsemen and he was a Chicago Bear. All-the-famer. Not as a horseman because he was not that good at wrestling. But... Former member of the Four Horsemen. Yeah. He was... I watched when he was one of the Horsemen. was... They had some stuff. Him and Benoit were a tag team. I know. I know.

I don't know if we could say that name on air. can say any name we want to on air. We could say Benoit, Benoit, Benoit. Doesn't matter. What, if I say it four times, is it to appear? It goes this Say it four times, it'll hang you from your weightlifting equipment.

Pmike (50:07.032)
So... And with that fun little statement, we conclude our recap of the week and Ace needs to collect himself. So... Anyway, Ace is just not quite able to focus at this point. But, the name of this episode, in case anybody doesn't... You're killing me,

Focus, let's move on. name of this episode, case any- I'm crying, I'm crying. In case nobody reads episode names before they click, they just see new episode and go. The name of this episode is The Draft Evolution 2. one truly maddening take from Will Ospreay. So, we're gonna start with The Draft. The rumor of The Draft is gonna be happening this coming week.

Like Monday? don't know, Not like tomorrow. No. The week after. Yeah. Memorial Day weekend. Yes. They didn't announce it for SmackDown though. Maybe they'll announce it on RAW, that they're gonna start it on SmackDown, because they wanted to do it while they were in Tampa. They wanted to the whole thing while they were in Tampa. The whole draft? Yeah. Because Tampa's... That's usually like a two week thing. The way they... The way the articles I read, they wanted to do it all while they were doing their takeover in Tampa.

Pmike (51:33.134)
gonna be hard to do but... I thought it was just night one night two because they do they have so many people that they can have in the first round on Raw and then so many people they can have on... I think they might have changed that. So but that's that's the rumors. that's not how it used to be. Like when I was growing up it used to be like a two week thing like

raw would have their draft class for the first day smactin would have their draft class for first day i'll see if they... and then raw would have a second day and smactin if they were having a real draft you would think that whoever has the first pick would take cina instantly right? i that that that's what i think they're gonna do i think like they do every other year they're gonna switch champions they usually do that with mid card champs

So why wouldn't you do it for the men's championships, especially because they all look the same. Because Cena is advertised for SmackDowns for the rest of the summer. He's actually also advertised for the Raw before the one we're going to. Yeah, right, that's the one Raw, one before the one we're going to, thank you, WWE. So taking Julia away from us and Cena. Right, so who you got? Who you think is gonna move on the draft?

If we actually have the draft. mean, obviously... we're going to. Well, if we have it this week. Or this coming weekend. Obviously, I think the one logical move to me, and I'm not sure which way it's gonna go, either Penta goes to Raw or Phoenix goes to... Sorry, Phoenix goes to Raw or Penta goes to SmackDown. Right. We may split up or... We've got... Andrade is trying to get in with...

Los Garzas. Or Berto at least. We might have Los Garzas split up or... Who's he trying to get with? I don't say trying to get with because that's not what's happening. That's not the storyline. it didn't work out with Charleston. I was going to say he's not a married man anymore. But they may get away from Santos and go with...

Pmike (53:51.714)
have make a new faction we could also see more of an LWO split up I hope we do also this would be an easy way to get Finn away from judgment day

I think that would be the easiest way. Right? Did, this is completely side unrelated. Did Rey Mysterio retire? No. He was hurt, remember? That's why Phoenix Yeah, and I thought I saw something that he, retired. Like, he's just- they would have announced that would have been a much bigger affair. With everything that I read online, I would have definitely seen that. Okay. Well, I thought I read something. And I probably could And you might have, but it's one of those- Right. Like-

off shoot things that we're not getting any kind of real reporting like we get from Dave Meltzer. Sorry Dave, sue me.

Who else you got? Lash legend, the SmackDown. Yeah, and it will definitely be in NXT College. SmackDown, you think she's gonna get into that whole Naomi, Jade? I just, I don't know why I see people as more of a Raw person or a SmackDown person. When I think of Rollins, I think of Raw. When I think Because it's Monday Night Rollins. When I think of Roman, I think of SmackDown. When I think of, give me a wrestler. Finn. Raw.

AJ Smackdown Oba Raw Okay So I don't know what goes on in my head to make me think those AJ was a stupid one, it's the house that AJ Styles built That's why I said Smackdown Why would we not think Smackdown? Yeah, I don't know what goes on in my head to make me think those things But I just associate a person with a brand

Pmike (55:38.606)
Oh, well here's a good one for you. Okay. Tony D. Tony D? I said I thought Raw first. Okay, because Tony I feel like I said I think this feud with Stax is gonna be the blow off for Tony and NXT.

lash smackdown I think we're definitely getting a call up from her too after the metaphor broke up yeah and half got released I think after trick willy beats joe hendry for his tna world championship joe hendry gets called up to no

Pmike (56:15.886)
contacts coming up is not yeah but he's gonna go to next he's gonna get the next you think you face Randy Orton former 14-time champion and Randy and you know those Randy's personal request yes it was Randy had to fight for it to be Henry I'm pretty sure

from the interview I saw with Henry. It was Chris Van Vliet. He asked Henry, he said, so How'd you know it you? Or how'd they tell you it was you? Or Randy said, or he said, well Randy said they wanted it to be a surprise. And Hunter just called me and said, you know what would be a big surprise? And then they snuck him into the building. Yeah, they wanted it be a surprise, but once there was somebody, I can't remember who initially...

that they couldn't get to do it. I can't remember why or whatever. JC Matteo. But Randy went to Hunter and said, if this can't happen, we should do this. OK. So yeah, was Randy requested to work with him. And that's why after the match, they released the audio with Randy saying, you showed up for all these people, and you showed up for all this. And he was basically congratulating him and thanking him because. Right.

He wanted that moment. he did the hand return. Right. Did you see that part on the Van Vliet interview? yeah. He said he he was just he said it would depend on how we felt and he loved the crowd so he felt like it. Yep. It was there. They were both over enough that Randy thought it was going to be a great moment and he just decided on the spot. Yep. I'm doing the hand return.

which is good i like it so you think hendry will go i think he'll go to the main roster i guess it's not technically straight to the main roster he's been on nxt a little bit i don't know i can see him going to nxt they really need to liven up their division a little bit yeah because i mean realistically right now well i don't know they got all those other aw guys i could lean on for a little bit

Pmike (58:38.886)
I'm like, what are you talking about? The North American title division. The guys that Spears is bringing along. I think Page is getting called up. Ethan Page? Ethan, yeah. Where do think he's gonna go? SmackDown.

What kind of... Where would you see him working though? Not just on SmackDown, like where would you put him? How would you bring him up? What are gonna feud him with? I... In this hypothetical, I split up DIY. In the draft, it's like one brand takes... What? Go ahead, go ahead. You had a revelation. Yeah, something just dawned on me. One brand takes Canva, the other keeps Gargano. And whichever one keeps Gargano, I think is the one he's going to. Because I think that'll be a good feud.

And yeah, that's, I mean, that's the first feud I see him going for. So if they announce on Raw that the draft starts Friday. How about this? How about one of the first draft picks, an early draft pick on SmackDown is Montez Ford. Okay. And the fact that he gets drafted by himself.

makes enough of a distraction and a tag team title match that the profits drop the titles and then we can actually split and let both of these guys I think both of these guys I don't think there's a genetic on this team I think both of these guys could be good singles competitors the only thing I don't

Are you saying they're gonna draft like in the middle of a match? No, I'm they gonna have a draft and then start a match? Yeah, like saying like our draft, first round draft pick, Raw takes Montez Ford.

Pmike (01:00:32.342)
What? And so, know, him and... I'm pretty sure they did that one year. Like, they took Tez, and then a couple rounds later, the same brand took Docs. But they're like all worried about them getting split up, and then that's a distraction. And Fraxium can beat them for the tiles. I know you don't like that, but Fraxium beat them while they were hurt. Yeah. And then they can beat them while they're distracted by this. So, we still got the, Fraxium really that great? The only time two times they beat these guys, once they were hurt, once they were completely distracted.

so that's a way to get the titles off him. You can split up for Axiom. I would be alright with that if we put Nathan Frazier with Seth Rollins.

I guess I wasn't thinking that I was thinking that treasure would stay on Smackdown. No, no, no. they just play, he needs to go with Rollins. I think Axiom would do wonders on Smackdown now that I'm thinking about it. Well, it depends on where they're going to bring some of these AAA guys they're bringing in. Are they signing him? That's the rumor. Like Vikingo? And Alberto Del Rio? Vikingo is the first one I heard that was actually signed. he's signed. They're going to...

in some way shape or form here's the weird thing we talked about this before it's not w w either acquired triple s tk it's tk so when tk buys them and they're going to fifty one percent so they own the company they have control in interest of the company they had their contracts are them bought out by tk so that contract technically can be

moved over to WWE moved over to whatever cause they're under the same parent company. Okay. So yeah, they can easily switch in and out. So if they start bringing more of these guys up wherever they, wherever they decide to bring these guys up, that's where Axiom needs to be. Yeah. Cause it'll be a thoroughly entertaining Same with the rest of Dogado. No. Logado? Thank you. you go. Dogado means skinny.

Pmike (01:02:23.82)
Dogatos Dogato means skinny. I was gonna say it's also Rafa and Amy's last name. I know. Okay, so Onto evolution 2 Yeah, what are we gonna talk about for that? Well, we're gonna talk about the fact that we just released a ton of female wrestlers, right? And then decide we're going to announce an all-women's pay-per-view 2. Now, second one. I'm not again as you know from a past episode. I'm not opposed to these cuts

However, this announcement right after these cuts is kind of intriguing and makes me question the timing of the cuts. If you're trying to fill up an entire pay-per-view, and the rumor is that this pay-per-view won't follow recent pay-per-view models, like it won't have five matches, it'll have like seven, eight matches. perfect. And one of which will be a battle royal. four.

I don't know. They might do for a contendership. They might just do, you know, the Mae Young Battle Royal and they'll get a trophy. Contendership for a title later in the match. Or later in the night. I always like when that So you're gonna try and get 20 women into a Battle Royal. I don't even know if they have 20 women employed. And then 7 other matches. But you just released like 8 women.

So again, I'm not opposed to the cuts. You gotta make cuts. I get it. But timing seems really suspect on this, especially Dakota Kai Corajade.

That could be that could have been course call-up right leading into this well you got to think though when they're talking about 20 women and they're talking about these matches you're get Trish Trish is gonna come back right is gonna come back. I'll be get one of the Bella's maybe this where AJ Lee makes her return I'm pretty sure Nikki said that she's just gonna do a little little run. Okay, like for the rest of the year Yeah, so, you know, we might get AJ Lee back. That's if AJ Lee's gonna come back. This seems like the perfect time for right?

Pmike (01:04:20.634)
some NXT people, you're get some TNA people, you might even get one or two from AAA. Right. Who knows, so I mean... I guess I do have... Right. Not that they have companies that they've acquired or collaborated with. Right, they've got enough people and I think it'll be a good pay-per-view. I thoroughly enjoyed the last, the first evolution. I don't remember it at all.

I thought it was really high quality and you got people like Julia and Stephanie Velcour and stuff that when you get to that main event it's going to be just as much of a bang as anything that the guys put on. I always watch a lot of guys online will talk about how they don't care about women's wrestling. And don't get me wrong, there are definitely some women who once they're on, I told you I went to bed before this Nia Jax main event on SmackDown.

not because of tiffy because of my because i just don't get she just does not interest me her nothing about her in the ring interest me at all right has nothing to do with her size before anybody starts harping on me about that she acts up a huge hyper niven fan yeah yes you're right i am about the same size which is big enough to snap you like a twig so you might want to keep that in mind

But yeah, has nothing to do with her size. It has to do with how she rustles and how she her whole presentation. I just don't like it. She just she doesn't wrestle. Right. I'm gonna keep it a buck. All right. It's just all yeah, it's all you know, I'm bigger and stronger than right. Okay, but do a move. Do something with Cargill. Do something. Well, but she at least does like suplexes and like actually shows strength. Naya is just like I'm gonna run into you. Well, I mean.

what does Bronson Reed do? and I'm a big, we're big Bronson fans. big Bronson fans, no pun intended. I dunno, there's something about her character and presentation. and I agree.

Pmike (01:06:21.07)
So that was just, mean, I wanted to dive into it a little bit just to talk about how the timing was off and it was a little weird and make people aware that it's happening. So I'm not sure how many people, it hasn't been a big announcement. I've seen it a little bit on social media. Right. But WWE hasn't fully come out. Right. I haven't seen it. Like they haven't announced it on Raw or Right. I haven't seen a big push for it. Right.

So we'll see that it's gonna happen. Speaking of all women's PLE, I'm realizing that Saturday Night's Main Event is going to be in all men's. There are no women's matches. There's only four matches, is that right? As of now. Right, so maybe they'll throw a women's match on there and go five. They could. could. Cargill and Naomi would make the most sense. They could, especially if they do a stipulation of Street Fight or something Like, Falls Count Anywhere.

like we had talked about in episode. Something to keep it entertaining. Right. So now that we've covered our first two topics that we wanted to cover. Osprey. We're going to talk about Will Osprey. I love Will Osprey. William. Will Osprey is dynamic in the ring. Will Osprey is fairly entertaining on the mic. William. Stop. Will Osprey dresses kind of like a slob.

and then Will Ospreay just says bad shit crazy off the wall stuff in interviews. Now I get that you are supposed to stick up for the company that you work for. I get it. However, the statement that young William made was that AEW

does everything better in the ring than WWE. Every AEW wrestler was better in every way than every WWE wrestler. Billy said on his worst day he could beat any WWE competitor on their best. Now this is just.

Pmike (01:08:33.292)
blatant audacity and disrespect on this one I'm sorry again love me some Will Osprey in the ring but Billy you need to shut your mouth yeah cuz let me just tell you a couple things here Bill you're good you're cocky you mess things up you have zero in ring psychology

The art of the cell is lost on you completely. Okay, so let me just give you a short list of guys who on your worst day you aren't better than. Matter of fact, I give you a short list of guys who on your best day you're not better than in WWE. Let's hear it. Okay, I'm gonna start with the guy you wanna be.

You are not better than AJ Styles. Thank you. Alright. You don't think? No. Nope.

I'm gonna name two if you don't name them. Give me one. Chris Sabin and Alex Shelley. There you go. Motor City Machine Guns. Absolutely. This is without question. Now you've got Penta over-

got Ray Phoenix over there. You've got as far as all-around in-ring works. I'm not just talking high flying. I'm not just talking amazing aerial stuff. I'm talking about all-around in-ring and I'm not a huge fan of this guy but the dude is good with his psychology. Not the greatest on the cell because sometimes he forgets which leg is hurt. Is it Rollins? But it's Rollins.

Pmike (01:10:20.958)
I'm sorry all around as a competitor Seth Rollins is better. He's better on the mic. Oh, yeah, he's better at ring psychology He's better at ring pacing. Yeah Sorry, you may not like the guy right, but he's better. Let me name a few. Okay Chad Gable. There you go. Oh grande me. Stop it. Oh

Pmike (01:10:50.574)
I already said Gable. Yep. That's all I got. But... Let me give you Montez Ford. Really? Yeah, let me give you Montez Ford. Can I look at the roster to say which guys have no, see this is the thing. It's like I don't have to look at the roster.

If I look at the roster, I'll give you some more. But that statement is so outlandish that I don't even have to look at the roster to be able to run down and be like, nope, this dude's better. Nope, this dude's better. Nope, this dude's better. Hey, I'll even say Ciampa. Hey, you want me to give you one? Let me give you one that without a question, I think is better as a performer all around. Let's hear it. The Will Ospreay. Jacob Fattu. yeah. Jacob Fattu might be the best in-ring competitor around right now. He just gives everything.

Sorry, my foot was in a really awkward position and then I... and it's

Pmike (01:11:44.654)
cut out your foot conversation. Yeah, Jacob Vazhu is better than Osprey, day in, day out, on the mic, in ring, ring pacing.

Pmike (01:12:00.236)
Selling is where we get... because Fatu's character doesn't sell. But that's the character. It's making him like that. Not just doing it because... I mean, Osprey's a high flyer. He's the aerial assassin, he's blah blah blah. So for him to just be able to jump up from everything that happens every single time isn't believable. This dude's supposed to be a destroyer, the Samoan werewolf, the unstoppable force. That's his character, so it's believable that he does this stuff.

I'll give you the entire Smackdown tag team division. Is better than Ospreay? They're good, but I'm not sure that I'm gonna go that far. But I'll definitely give you Nathan Frazier. For Axiom? I'll put Axiom. I think Axiom's a little lower than Frazier, honestly. If I gotta judge the two as who's better, I'll take Frazier. But do you still think Axiom's better than Ospreay?

It'd be close. Ospreay loses a whole lot in his ring psychology, his pacing, his selling, and his mic work. I mean, he's a great high flyer and he puts on exciting matches to watch, right? But he doesn't sell, he doesn't really help the other guy enough. It's just not something I want to see. It's crazy to me. And for him to make that statement, will Ospreay, I think that we need to give you an award.

Pmike (01:13:25.688)
Nope, that's not the right one. Do we want to this one out? Yeah, we might cut that one out. Let's see. Will Ospreay, we are going to give you an award. You win the most maddening take of this episode by saying that AEW has the better everything. I'll one-up you. The most maddening take of Maddening Wrestling Takes history. I'll give you that one. So Will, this one's for you.

you

Good job, Billy. Congratulations, Billy. You are batshit crazy. So now on to our own personal maddening takes, which we know can now hold a candle to the nonsense that spews out of actual professional wrestlers at this point. Oh my goodness. So, Ace, take it away. Try and Crazy Bill. How's that gonna happen? This isn't really a maddening take. It's just a fact. Dustin Rhodes and Daniel Garcia.

wrong person Sammy Guevara should not be a tag team. They're Texas boys. That's not enough to make you a tag team. Definitely it is. Let alone tag team champions. There are tag team champions.

So that's like three steps above being. I don't even know anything. It's that low. They're barely even a real tag team. They just like come out with belts. I realize they have a show, but where I don't even know where to watch it. they getting something? Tony con Bart Bart Bart Bart Simpson Bart Tony con Bart R.O.H. essentially. So WWE couldn't have it and it's library.

Pmike (01:15:15.478)
and then put What library do you mean? Superstars? No, mean video library. I see. And then put it online and just started putting random people with belts on it or whatever. I don't care. So they're ROH champions. I don't care. They're also, I think they're also two thirds of the ROH trio champion. That's also dumb. Who's the third? I don't know. Okay. Also number one contenders. That vacant outline that shows up on the show. The vacant guy.

What a decorated competitor, Vankent is. Vankent has had more matches than... Damn, it's crazy. Remember that one time when you wrestled Vince? So your maddening take is just that you don't think these guys should be attacking. That is correct. That was... That's all I got. Alright, so... Will Ospreay takes the highest one, and Ace takes the worst one. Sorry, Ace. That was horrible.

Sorry, just haven't used sound effects, I thought it would be fun to throw a couple in. Shoot me. Yeah, that works. It was hilarious. Haha, look, I killed you! I know for a fact there's a button that boos me on here. Could have pressed that instead of shooting me.

just thrown out there i want to go through all them hold it doesn't say boo this they laughed at you for hitting the wrong button that was outstanding so at any rate i'm gonna press a random button no no we're done with the we're done with the button so my maddening which will actually be maddening to some people out there a lot of people say that MJF is the one true shining point

in AEW, the pillar of AEW. Yes. I'm tired. I'm tired. That was a little over dramatic. Sorry.

Pmike (01:17:12.558)
Sorry. He's like a one trick pony. I don't say I can't even remember the last time he wrestled. Against Hangman Adam Page. When? The dynasty. the last pay-per-view? Yeah. Okay, so that's one match in the past. How long? Three weeks. All right. And before that one day to wrestle. There you go. can't remember. me. I can't remember this dude in the ring.

He comes out and says the same thing over and over again how he's a generational talent. That's great, but you've been using the same lines for years, If you can't swear and call somebody a mark, you can't cut a decent promo even for me. I remember when you were all over him. I was. He was entertaining because he was fresh. Fresh? You were all over him when he was camp. But it was because what he was doing...

at the time was a bit different and he was he was kind of a face almost back and forth thing as a champ yeah I loved what he did with Adam Cole so now now that he's just back to being the heel again and the dynamite diamond ring for Christ's sake give it a freaking rest no all right it's stupid let somebody else win it this guy's gonna be 97 coming down getting in in this match and I've won it for the 45th time in a row

and then he's knock somebody out with it. Whatever.

Pmike (01:18:48.696)
Whatever. He'll be around 60s, in his 60s. is, I'm tired of MJF. I don't think he's as entertaining as everybody else does. He is better than John Moxley, but that's like saying you're better than wet paint with broken glass in it because it has to have something hardcore in it.

So that's my maddening take. You want me to get another one? I can get another one. Anybody who doesn't agree with me, by all means, hit us up on the socials. Leave us a comment. I forgot you could do that on Spotify. yeah, please leave us a comment on Spotify. Tell me that you think MJF is entertaining and tell me how you could possibly see him as entertaining anymore. And Ace wants to try and redeem himself for his maddening take. So...

I'm looking at the time here. You can't say I'll give you another maddening take and then not have one ready. Yes, I can. Christ's sake. Okay, okay. Here we go. Let's give it a shot.

DIY is

Are you gonna give me anything besides that? You're gonna throw out a sentence, not gonna give me any kind of support for it? Former two time tag team champions on SmackDown. Former, if I'm remembering correctly, just random Raw tag team champions. I don't remember if they were or not, to be honest with I think they were. Anyway, former two time NXT tag team champions. They've done it all. In WWE? That's what I said.

Pmike (01:20:23.734)
right however they're the best tag team in wwe so you count their accolades in wwe no yes no that's not how that works that's like saying that's like saying pence is the best wrestler in wwe because of the stuff he did in aw no yes it is no when you say the best wrestler or the best tag team you're talking about once they get in the ring and perform they are the best at what they do yeah not not

they've held more titles than anybody else because that's not that's not an opinion that's a straight out that's a straight out fact my second one of the day so when you're talking about who's a better tag team who's the best tag team it's not how many championships they've held we've been over this a whole bunch of times championships don't make you the best okay i think DIY has better teamwork skills than Motor City Machine Guns

Oh shit, I almost had to buy a new microphone. I almost spilled water all over that. Motor City Machine Guns, and this isn't just a catchphrase that Wade Barrett was throwing out there. They're your favorite tag team's favorite tag team. I know. The reason DIY does half the stuff they do or work like they do is because of the Motor City Machine Guns. And they do it better. No, the fluidity on the Machine Guns is top notch. Top notch. I'm sorry, who beat the Motor City Machine Guns for the titles?

Okay, again, you cannot... means they're better if they beat them! Jesus Christ, you cannot say who performs better based on who wins a scripted contest. That's like saying that somebody isn't as good of an actor because his character got killed in the movie. No, it's not! So you're telling me...

No, no, no, no, no, no, you're telling me John Cena is not the greatest of all time because he won 17 world championships. No That is the only reason no the US Open Challenge Yes, no, yes If I if I I tweet out right now, why is John Cena the goat? They will give me 17 time world champion and US Open Challenge Those are the two reasons they will give me I'm sorry that people are stupid. I can't control that

Pmike (01:22:44.44)
So what you're saying is You're in the minority here. I'm sorry, the majority always makes it right? the majority is right here. No. No. You cannot tell me that you think somebody's a better wrestler because they won a wrestling match. I book wrestling! I know that's not true! I know the better wrestler doesn't always get the one, three.

I know that the better wrestler is looking up at the lights half the time. I know this for a fact.

Pmike (01:23:21.23)
What you got now?

You're wrong. I'm not wrong. I am not wrong. At all. Maybe you might be right. Sorry, I remembered Charlotte Flair exists. There you go. So she's like the greatest woman. She's the best women's wrestler in WWE.

Say it, admit it. Because that's what it is.

Pmike (01:23:49.01)
Alright. And with that folks, that's going to end our episode. We hope to see you next time. We don't ever see them. And we're going to. No, they're going to see us. That's the way cameras work. No, cameras can work the same. Right, but we don't see them. We record this and then send

Pmike (01:24:14.368)
if you're on Skype or Zoom or FaceTime. that's not how we do our show. That's not how we're gonna do our show. Well, I'm just saying. Okay, before my son embarrasses himself anymore, we will talk to you guys next week. You say see you all the time. Yeah, and you don't catch it. So I guess that makes me a better podcaster.