Maddening Wrestling Takes

MWT (00:00.878)
Hey, Matt House. Welcome back to Madden Wrestling Takes. I'm Mike. That's Ace. We got some wrestling for you. We're a little bit behind. Had a little technical difficulty yesterday. The app actually just shut down in the middle of recording a podcast. I looked at the screen and it said can't connect. So. It was odd. Here we are. We'll run over. We'll still. I don't think we're going to cover last night's raw. We'll just lump that in with next week's. OK, got you. OK, so we'll just.

Let's all pretend it's Monday. I know that's a horrible thing to say as we get into the work week. We're already two days in. We don't want to pretend it's Monday anymore. But of the work week, we're two days. Yeah, you're right. Right. I'm home from my second day of work. Yeah. OK. All right. So we're going to jump in and we'll go with last week's Monday night. Sorry. We're just going to say Monday Night Raw because again, we're pretending this isn't Tuesday. Tuesday, like tomorrow. All right. So.

We had Eosky suffered a surprising loss to Roxanne Perez. Very happy. Yeah, I know you're a big Roxy fan, but I'm a big EO fan. The big takeaway from this, the big thing that happened storyline wise is she ran into EO, ran into the Kabuki Warriors backstage and told them not to get involved. She needed to handle this on her own. Judgment Day, as Judgment Day tends to do, the numbers game. So the Kabuki Warriors came out to help.

little miscommunication. EO got rolled up, pinned. She saw the Kabuki Warriors backstage and they said, hey, we were trying to help. She said, you didn't help. You made me lose. Asuka got heated, pushed her, pushed EO and walked away. So based off of yesterday or next week's leaks for Raw. Why are we bringing this up? I'm talking about the next Monday. Right.

But we did, what was I going with that? the rumor was, sorry, he threw me all off with his time travel stuff. The rumor was that Asuka was gonna start a slow burn toward a heel turn. But it looks like with Naomi being out with her undisclosed situation that... As of yesterday, even before Raw, was still, it was disclosed. We knew she was pregnant. Okay, whatever.

MWT (02:29.132)
She went on Stephanie's. But they aired that last night after Raw. No. But that is exactly what Michael Cole said. We will be airing this directly after Raw. I actually have the YouTube video and it was posted. However many days I can go back in the conversations and I sent my friend the YouTube video because he didn't believe me that she was pregnant. At rate, she's pregnant. So they sped up Asuka's heel turn. So.

Hopefully we'll get to see Asuka versus Io, which is a match I've kind of been dying for. I it'll be a great match. Who is... Who's Stephanie going to face at Clash in Paris? I don't know. I'm kind of curious about what they're going to do with the title. Stephanie has a guaranteed title shot, Just give Stephanie the championship. There you go. I don't know who else they put up against her, because... Io, Asuka, and Kairi. No. It's like, oh, okay, so it's the one girl from Chile versus the three girls from Japan. It's like...

No, we can't have damage control coming against one person. That's messed up. Elsewhere on Raw, it's like the MFT elsewhere on Raw. Becky Lynch retained her Intercontinental Championship over Maxine Dupree and a what I thought was a surprisingly good performance from Maxine. I think she's come a long way from the days where she, you know, did that great worm. Yeah. Caterpillar. Yeah. Where she could barely do anything. I'm now, by the way, they call it the caterpillar because of how

Big Otis's. It's a big fat worm. Yeah. All the inside jokes like take you a little bit longer to get. It's kind of fun. CM Punk got attacked again. Oh, no. By who? By the Vision. What? No. Still upset that I can't find the Vision t-shirt on WWE Shop. I looked last night. You think they would come out with one on if they had it?

because they want to promote their stuff. that's what Roman did every week when he was champ. Right. Just change the shirt and come out with another one, make more money. Well, I mean, I was sad every time he came out with a new shirt. I'm like, oh, that's a good one. I might get that. Right. I know. And I was sad because I'm like, oh, my God, the bank account can't keep getting a new shirt. Roman, my bank account can't keep up with your style changes. It just can't So anyway, Punk got attacked by Rollins and Breaker and Reed.

MWT (04:53.45)
LeBron's yeah LeBron's and Seth The Sammy and main event Jay Made to save something like that. No, no, no was law It was like a Sammy is not on raw right? was la la night. La night in case you guys don't get it la night Say hey, you know what you didn't get I figure I share that with people Leading to

a yeah, was that the tech match? Probably. This is what happened. forget, right? Anyway, what's not a good, you know? Yeah, we're just going to we're just going to kind of during the there was a match between Sammy Zane and Rusev, but it ended in a no contest because Solo interfered and attacked Sammy. And then the last segment of the show had

The Vision attacking Punk, Law, and Jey Uso. Jey Uso made a delayed save. Oh yeah, because he's got to make a slow strut while he's like slow crouching. crowd just yeeting everywhere on Carrying the chair, looking down, crouching down. like, come on, dude. It's worse than eggs. Your boys are getting their ass whipped. What are you doing? Leading to a fatal four-way match for the title at Clash in Paris between Punk, Jey, LA Knight, and...

Yeah earlier in the night Sammy had asked Pierce for a title shot world title shot Pierce said, you know, we'll see what happens and then when Sammy lost with against Russo I Think that's what? Anthony or Joe Joe Vince Vince Russo. Yeah, I mean he did wrestle that was sad as can be Rusev when Sammy lost against Rusev that supposedly took him out of the world title picture

So we'll see. not super thrilled with the Clash in Paris card right now. I only know two matches and one of them I don't even know the other person in the match. Who? Stephanie and... What about Cena and... Blank? Logan. okay. I guess I know two and a half. And then...

MWT (07:14.51)
McIntyre and Cody? don't think that's confirmed yet. Okay. I mean that's kind of where they're leading. Right. That's what I'm assuming is gonna happen. So... On to NXT. Pretty quick raw recap for you there. To kick off the NXT show. Flash legend lost to Nia Jax. Which is ridiculous. Please. If you're gonna keep Nia, use her to put over younger talent. Except they're not keeping Nia. Hmm?

they're not keeping my in NXT on on on wwe in general if you're gonna keep my user to put over some younger talent I thought you were talking about my dad my dad no no no flash went for a power bomb because now I was sitting on the top rope lash went for a power bomb and I just sat out for the annihilator she's gonna kill somebody about one these days probably she slips at least gonna pop an implant

MWT (08:11.342)
Yeah, you hear the thud and then it's all done. Joe Hendry made his NXT return, not return, return match and beat Charlie Dempsey. Yeah, it's, they've got to pull the trigger with him and make him a full-time TNA guy or full-time NXT guy. Or just- sign a contract? Yeah, just, you know, they-

They sign here. I know, Everybody saw you signing. They spent enough time promoting the guy. I he was at so he was at one of their fan fests where he wasn't even on the card. He was at Mania. Well, he was he was on Mania, though. But SummerSlam wasn't he promoted for the fan fest at SummerSlam and he wasn't even on the card. So, I mean, just pull the trigger on this dude. Not even employed by WWE. Right. Well, I don't know. TNA is pretty much there at this point. They're evidently WWE is.

helping them in their contract talks for a new TV deal. Which I heard is going to be on USA on Wednesday nights at eight. I definitely heard Wednesdays at eight, but I also heard a possibility of the CW. Yeah, I heard one of those too. Yeah, with 100%. at eight though. And I promise you if it's on Wednesday at eight. I know which one I'll be watching. Well, you're gonna see some WWE guys and not just NXT guys. You're gonna see some WWE guys show up.

Hunter is counter programming. And I know people are whining and bitching about it, but you know what? Everybody wants to talk about going back to the golden era of wrestling with the attitude era. Attitude era started because of the Monday Night Wars. And those two pro those two companies programmed against each other constantly. So if you want competition, expect the counter program and people are all pissed off. They're talking about doing a show and WWE is talking about doing a show in September.

rivaling turn against was forbidden door forbidden door is no forbidden door is the next next next t-shirt is gonna go against forbidden door heatwave. Yeah, and then there's another thing is it I don't know. It might be the mexican show. I don't know. It's not it's another I don't know. It's another show but the Rumor is that if they do the september show if they're gonna have the cnm brock match Yeah, then it's gonna annihilate anything at uw can do

MWT (10:35.886)
It's just going to I mean you don't have to like Lesnar. You don't have to like Cena. You're gonna watch the match, right? It's gonna happen So counter program away boys if you if Tony you think you're good enough to go against these guys Then go against them. Don't be afraid of and don't whine and bitch when they counter program Right. you know what Tony put on a show the same weekend as WrestleMania counter program. See what happens

Well, I see we don't even know what they did that should answer all questions about right. Anyways, elsewhere in NXT, Kehlani Jordan and Lola Weiss beat Fatal Influence with Kehlani actually pinning JC Jane. The champ taking the double tamp. Double tamp? Double. At least it's a double tramp.

Don't look at me like that. You know what I mean? You don't know what a tramp is? No kind of like a slut Oh lady in the tramp. There you go. Well, that's a different kind of tramp. That's a homeless guy So that's like an old um anyways Yeah, jc took the pen with dana brooke and mina mina Uh, I don't slan of it. Oh, that's right. Yeah, it's first name mina masa masha masha slamovich, okay, we're gonna go with it

Which I think is going to set up a double triple threat on heatwave for the NXT Women's title between Kehlani, Lola and JC. And then in that same night, the TNA Women's title between Dana, Slamovich and JC. Did you see that Ava announced a tag match for this week on NXT? No. Trio's tag match. Fatal Influence.

and the Elegance brand. Who's the third one in the Elegance brand? I don't know. Do you remember we watched that backstage promo that they came into too early? No, I know. It's Dana Brooke, that one girl. And then who's the other one? There were three of them there. I don't know who the other one was. The other one was a guy. I thought it was. OK, well, I don't know. It says Elegance brand. But Slamovich is going to be the special guest ref. Interesting. Yeah. I just saw it this afternoon.

MWT (12:53.518)
Right before I had to get back to work. So I didn't get a chance to read the whole thing. I see Alba fire is back in NXT and only because of Kelsey Green, Kelsey Green and Ethan Page. It's amazing. Anyway, Alba fire picking up the win over Kendall Gray, who was the LFG female champion. Yes. All right. Yes. I haven't seen as much of her, which instantly tells me that she was not quite as dominant as the LFG male. Right. Because we've seen it.

We've seen a shitload of him and in a massive first match was a championship match, right? Main championship match in a massive eight man tag team clash. Dark State beat. Actually conquered a coalition of champions. That's a bar. That's Jesus. You won't have to read or the notifications off. You don't have to read word for word off this. You know, recording a podcast. It's like in the movie theater.

So at any rate, happened was Trick Willie ended up standing on the apron and watching Dark State just destroy Javon Evans because he was not going to get involved. They did the launch power bomb, but two of them launched Javon to the other two where they each caught a leg and brought him down. no. And yeah, pretty much just like, no, please don't hurt him. Can you take? No, I tried. I tried. I was here. I couldn't.

That's that's what I'll say I was here that's bad it for NXT yeah, it wasn't Nothing major we didn't have any backstage stuff or anything to report correct? Not that I remember all right on to

Smackdown. Yeah, okay. No next we're gonna lay the smackdown. That's where I was going with that And I'll layeth the smacketh down. That's where that name came from right? Well, yeah, because rock would always gonna lay the smack down or check into the smackdown hotel Yeah, that's why when the rock comes out and says this is the rock show. He's not kidding. They after him Sammy Zane comes out. Well solo any MFTs are out and

MWT (15:06.732)
Sammy comes out and says, hey, you know what? Because of you interfering in my match, I'm not in the Fatal Four Way Championship match. He's like, because of you, I've now decided to switch to SmackDown. Which is a bit of an issue. Which is kind of weird because just a few months ago. When the vision started. Seth said, hey, Sammy, you're my friend. I don't want to fight you. I can see you're not on board with all this. So I asked the wise man at.

time now Oracle to make a couple phone calls and Sammy if you just walk away from raw and go to Smackdown we will guarantee you a world championship match and now he's on and Sammy said no I am too good and honorable for that I will stay here and fight the good fight and I will be a world champion and now he's facing firm solo and title and solo interferes and he says hey you know what

Blue brand sounds if I was Sammy and I was going to smack down anyway, I would have called Seth and be like hey Is that offer still on the table? still do that. What's what's what's Paul? We got I know I fought you but like is that offer office still on the table? Yeah, I mean we had our back and forth at least give it a shot Hey, Sammy word of advice answers always know until you ask. All right, give it a shot. What the hell? But anyway, he thanks solo Why do you do that? Because he's been so consumed

with being a world champion. hasn't been able to think about anything else. He's let things slide. He's not been focused. And now he has that relief. He doesn't need to focus on it because he doesn't need to be a world champ right now. So correct me if I'm wrong. Okay. I usually do. He took his focus off of the world title to then focus on the opposite brands mid card title. Well, but he's not

really focusing on the title for the title sake. He wants to take it away from solo because it means so much to him. Sam, you ever held that title? The US title? He had to.

MWT (17:18.53)
He had to have Canadian holding the US title. mean, that's Kevin Owens did. Yeah, I know. OK, I did. But I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure Sammy did. We can check it. Yeah, it's OK. Don't give me that wind up. Tell me you're to go. So. They all start fighting. And Big Jim comes down to make the save. And so does Jacob Fatu. No, he is not. I'll be damned. So it means so much to him, right? Backstage later.

Jacob, Sammy and Jimmy Big Jim are in the locker room and Sammy says, hey, Big Jim, thanks. You know, just like old times running that back. Is it? Yeah. And he said, and Jacob, I want to thank you, Jacob gets up his face. I didn't do that for you. I did that for him. This is my brother. I don't know you. It's actually your cousin. Sammy says, well, I don't know you either, but I'm cool with him. Right. And you're cool with him.

So we should be cool with each other. To which Jacobs looks at Big Jim and says, just keep him on my way tonight. Because the main event is a Tridos match. was going say, in case you haven't put that together.

So then we go to Alexa Bliss Beating Piper Niven With a roll up until the numbers game again It's a factor always a factor. I don't understand how people can't get this It's like we're gonna go out there with two people they have three and they're the bad guys. Hmm. I wonder what's going to happen I I get it guys wrestling is the suspension of belief I get it

It's the unwritten rule. come on, It's like, you know, if you touch a touch a hot stove once, that's an accident. You do it again. That shit's on you. It's like Kevin Owens said when they were him and Samer with the tag champs. He goes, yeah, yeah, last week, you know, we said your name. They hit the music. You came out with this week. We didn't even mention you. You just came out. That's not the rule. There are rules. There are rules to this. I love that was one of my favorite KOs. Oh, me too. He was just so fun.

MWT (19:30.83)
And something that made Ace extremely happy on SmackDown, Mellow don't miss making a return. Yes. In tag team action, Carmelo Hayes and the Miz. what makes this even better for Ace? Selling the bag, selling the deal. Getting the bag, selling the deal, you know, that whole deal. The thing that made Ace even happier. They beat Fraxiom.

MWT (19:58.094)
I from what I read or the way it made it sound, Mellow hit his finish. Miz tagged himself in and scrambled for the pin. Because Mellow didn't look very happy after that. That's your move, man. Hey, the tag team. I never understood this. If you're a legit tag team, if you're if you're actually friends, you shouldn't care. You won the match. Right. That's what that's all that's important. You don't. If that when they always talked about wins and losses. And in the record books.

They would say this in WWE too. In the record book, it's an L or a W. And so it's for a team. Right. So that's it. doesn't say Miz got the pin. Right. But if you were on the opposing team, the team that got pinned, I'd understand if you were frustrated that they pinned you. Well, no, I'd understand if you're frustrated if they pinned your partner. That's what I'm No, you said, okay, we said, pin you. So was a little confused.

Yeah, like if you and I were a tag team and they pinned you, I'd be like, Jesus, come on, dude. Can't you do anything to carry this team? I mean, I get it because you weigh, you know, seven pounds and it's easy. It's hard if you kick out when there's a 300 pound dude. You weigh a ton. Yeah. Well, close. Get it. I guess about a half. Half a ton. No, not quite. Thousand pounds. Not Not quite. Not quite. I'm almost there. Couple of Doritos. Maybe I'll get a couple of Doritos. A couple of Doritos, three pizza rolls. be there. One pound away. Yeah, right there.

But don't get me wrong three salads I'll be at about 275 svelte. It's amazing how my metabolism works

Drew McIntyre talked about him Claymore and Cody through the table last week Saying that he acted in self-defense after Cody Rhodes provoked him. Cody is kind of a bully. I see it Me too. That's at least what I'm gonna run with because I'm thoroughly enjoying this version of McIntyre I want McIntyre to win the Well, and if Cody's taking time off to record Street Fighter, we're either gonna get a Roman Reigns type title run

MWT (22:02.478)
Or we're not going to see him for two or three months. Or he's going to drop it really quick. I hope it's the second option. Which McIntyre needs a world title run in front of the fans. Not five minutes. A world title reign. Not run. I said two different things. Right. I do get the idea of having McIntyre beat him and that's cool, but it kind of loses.

Something for taking that why the hell did you take the ball off scene of that? Brock Okay, but Cena is not fighting Brock right now Cena could have fought if if the deal is put it on McIntyre and Cena just turned face let Cena face Cena lose to heal McIntyre that builds More of a heat well, but like Cody But Cody would have just went off to play Street Fighter Cody's the golden style

She had to finish the story twice. Well, the thing with this title reign, I think we talked about it last time. Now that it's not involving the rock. Now that it's not the final boss that he's up against and it's not finishing the story and it's not his first title reign, this shit could end anytime. Right. He's young enough and he's new enough in his, you know, he'll redo a contract that he could have four or five more reigns. So Cena's had a bunch of short title reigns.

yeah, I think the longest one he had was Just over a year. Yeah, so it gets him up to the 17 by doing that. So I mean you start pumping a few off Yeah, that sounded bad. You started getting a few title reigns under Cody's belt. I Know right it's just punimatic. I can't help I'm a dad dad jokes come out naturally sometimes under his belt I wasn't I didn't say pumping it off under his belt. I did not say that

ridiculous. I mean, what him and Brandi do with behind closed doors on the bus just cover Pharaoh's eyes and go to town. But at any rate, they get rid the family friendly label. They could get some we might have to write just you might just like tear off the family friendly label just have a whole lot more fun on this. Right. that explicit label over it. Right.

MWT (24:25.646)
Oh, for the first time ever recording a podcast, I get to click that button that says explicit content. Yes. Yes. Where the hell are we going with this? You were talking about Brandi. No, no. Yeah, I was talking about pumping under the belt. No, no, no. His title. Yeah. No, Cody. Yeah. Cody could have a few short title reigns and get his numbers up as far as how many times he was champion and then go off and do his movie.

Give Drew his thing. I don't know who they'd have drew feud with I Think really what I think they're gonna end up doing Orton they could run that they could I want to see I Enjoyed drew and Logan Paul

Yeah, I don't remember if this was last week or if this was Yesterday that we didn't say but what did you say they reminded you of? This was yesterday definitely And I'm going to offend people I had to say that last time so I'll say it again this time They got the energy of a young DX They can they say just off the wall weird shit smelly roll

Yeah, I mean Drew gets to be funny and vicious at the same time, which you know was where Triple H was. Sean was never really vicious, but Hunter was. Right. And I think that could be a really fun tag team. Put them together. Put the belts on them. Let them beat the Wyatt Six. That's out of left field, right? You got all these all these guys on SmackDown when Mellow don't miss and Street Profits were in the back talking. Every time there was a tag team on SmackDown, there was at least one member of the Wyatt Six somewhere in the background.

So there's still teasing that every member of the tag team division Every group in the tag team division is involved in the tag title picture right now. So Take McIntyre and Paul Just completely out of left field and put titles on yeah, it'd be fun I think they could I mean and you could probably you know pull one or two other guys shit You put Carmelo with them. I think attitude wise you'd work Yeah, I Think it'd be fun. I mean

MWT (26:41.134)
Get a couple of people to hang out with them. Make your your new faction. That's not, you know, the MFTs or the bloodline or. Give me a fun faction. Yeah, like we just we don't have a fun faction and I think we used to. It's called the bloodline. With Sammy, that wasn't Sammy, that wasn't Sammy was fun. No, everyone made it fun.

Roman only made it fun because he couldn't keep a straight face around Sammy. He was not trying to be the fun guy. that why you've been off? Because you're not feeling oosie? Right. mean, Sammy gets proud. Jay hit his face in his hands and Roman says, no, no, no, no, Look me in the eyes. Yeah, I'm not going to let you run from this. Let's go. But yeah, Sammy getting people to stay just off the wall, chanting oosie at the drop of a hat. First time you ever use the word in a crowd. Oosie, oosie, oosie.

That was that was good. Sammy was gold in a bloodline. Only person that I know of to make solo break character. And you know, I would if somehow we could get that style, Sammy and our truth together. Yes, I'll be a blessed protecting. So I think that's smackdown because I think as WWE, we just ran way the hell off the rails on this, you know, that's OK, though.

think just a straight up recap is kind of getting a little boring and if we, ow. That wasn't me. If we're gonna take the family friendly label off, straight recap might not be our thing. Maybe we'll change the formula up just a little bit. Is this what they're doing? Is this going to be our first unfamily friendly episode? I don't know, we'll see what happens. Just keep it rolling off the cuff and we'll see. We got no plans. Let's see where it goes. Alright, MJF said, no I'm kidding,

Well, that'll definitely make it friendly straight up. Hangman. sorry. Well, I didn't even. We are on to AEW Dynamite. Where? I'm not going to say it it gets all upset when I say we're the best at you. I that was your cue, man. I get it. But every time I say we're the best wrestle, it just rolls his eyes. So I won't do it this week. You seem ridiculous. I will not say we're the best wrestle because it's upset by it.

MWT (29:06.143)
three times.

On to AEW. Thought you were gonna say it. Hangman. I don't know who kicks off. I really wasn't watching. I've been not up to date with my AEW shows. I've been slacking. I have. Well, they've been disappointing. I've heard. One of MJF or Hangman kicks off and basically says... It says MJF kicked things off by taunting AEW world champion Hangman Adam Page. It is right there.

Well, yeah, but that doesn't make sense why he came to the ring and started running from his mouth. How does MJF coming to the ring and running his mouth not make sense? Why would he do that? That's what that's it's his gimmick. He's part of the hurt business. He's not syndicate. He's not. They kicked him out. After Sheldon said he found out he had got a team of watch. He officially got kicked out. Pretty sure. Anyways, yeah, MJF said.

I can use this guaranteed title shot, this makeshift money in the bank briefcase at any time, any place, anywhere. It's just the same thing as any place. Usually. Hangman says, uh-huh, well I don't have an opponent for forbidden door. Shut up. An opponent for forbidden door. And he goes, I'm not gonna use this. What are you? What are you, pussy? Yeah, me, you, forbidden door.

And then then Hangman says, OK, see you at the forbidden door, dumbass. So here's the thing. Me? Pussy? No. This whole time of AEW existing, they built MJF as this cerebral guy, the guy who's always thinking things through. That's a right word. Methodical, that's yeah. That's big word for vocabulary. is. Not dead on, but it'll work. But they...

MWT (31:02.018)
They build him up as a cerebral dude. Assassin, would you say? No, no, good God. No, wouldn't say that. And then all of a sudden he's tricked into using his contract, which the advantage of the contract is anyplace, any time. It's essentially the money in the bank, but they can't say that because it's copywritten. And this guy, Hangman, the cowboy, tricks him into saying, I'm going to use my

instant match by calling him names. That shit didn't work on me when I was 16. Not just any names, just one name. Just a pussy. Just a pussy. Just a pussy. I think saying that word four times probably get us in the non-family friendly. What was that, six? But how are you going to play this guy off as being smart and he gets suckered in by someone saying, you're not tough enough. Yes, I am.

You know, my sister used to try and do that to me when I was like... Which one? Amy. Yeah. She used to and that to me I was like 13. She would say, oh, what? Are you scared? And she would even say, are you a pussy? And I would say, I guess so, because I ain't doing it. Because I'm not a moron. So way to make your top heel look like an absolute moron. On to the next part of the show. else MJF regrets? Resigning? Yeah. Yeah.

onto your, I'll let you have this. This is your favorite part of the show. MJF could have signed with WWE and he'd be a solid North American champion by now.

Kiss all of their ex-EW guys. So. Except Cody. Adam. Adam. And Lexus. Adam Copeland. if you will. Cope, will not. So Edge, if you will. Face Stokely Hathaway because- Big Stoke. So here's the thing. Over in WWE, we have Cena's retirement tour. The biggest thing in wrestling-

MWT (33:13.358)
One of the biggest stars ever, the never seen 17 time world champion going against some of his biggest opponents ever. Yeah. You got Lesnar. You got Orton. Yeah. Orton. You had Cody. You had Punk. You had was going to say you even had our truth. There's a connection there, it tracks. I suppose. And one of Cena's biggest rivals ever was Edge. AEW...

who is upset that WWE counter programs them. That's what they're saying. They're counter programming us. They're trying to steal our stuff away. While Cena is wrestling his biggest rivals ever, is wrestling Stokely Hathaway. Are you shitting me? Malcolm Bivens. my God. So what happens here, predictably, FTR gets involved. Slightly unpredictably, honestly, just because I think it happened quicker than it should have.

Christian runs down for the save. Gives Edge the two by four with the spikes in it. And then what's left of the patriarchy, Sabian. Nick Wayne. And his hot mom. Attack Christian. then Edge makes the save with a spear to Sabian that is, quite honestly, probably one of the best spears I've ever seen Edge hit. yeah. I mean, he just, he...

Took off. doesn't normally have a good spear. He has a decent spear. I've never been a fan of Edges spear. Decent spear. He's not a big enough. Yeah, that's one of those moves where you have to hit it right to make it look good. One of the reasons I don't like Jay doing it, I don't think he's big enough to make it look effective. I think Edges or at least he was when he came back. I know he's lanky and that kind of takes away like the guys who hit it that I think are super effective with it. Breaker, Roman, Goldberg. Breaker, Roman, Lashley. Right. These are. No.

No, no, I'll give I will probably give Jay over moose really probably But these are guys that have some bulk have some size It makes sense that they're hitting the spear and you just cuz you're big doesn't mean you hit a good spear because I've Seen the big show hit a spear to a sloppy as shit look horrible. I bet so anyway I saw Stokely go for a spear and trip or no he bounced off. He bounced off edge bounced off edge. Co edge Adam I'll go with Adam

MWT (35:39.043)
So anyway, what they're going to do with this giant Edge and Christian reunion, know, FTR took Edge out, his best friends. just had. These are guys that hang out when Edge was still in WWE and I think it was Orton broke into his house. Yes. He said, I'm calling and he gave two names, Scott and something else, which are FTR's real names. Yeah. His legitimate real life good friends. They live beside him.

They're all in the same neighborhood. Yeah. So they turned on him making this even more dramatic. And now Edg and Christian are back together after you just had the Hardee's win the TNA tag titles in a ladder match. You're having the Dudleys were just ringside for a TLC match who will face the Hardee's in a tables. I don't know. I think it's just regular.

It'll end up being hardcore because you're gonna hear Devon get the tables. yeah But yeah, they're facing one last time and then you have egg and Christian just reunited and they are facing Kip Sabian and Nick Wayne What good job Tony what this shit and I get it I kind of I get what people are gonna say I don't get the logic behind it I get what people are gonna say. Well, you're building to the FTR match. You know what we're sensors off right? Fuck that

You don't have to build for this. OK, this is the match. You have what's viewed as one of the top four or five tag teams of all time finally reuniting after 14 years. Spotify have the same rules as movies and you think I don't know. I just click the button that says explicit content and you think you need to build that match. Are you kidding me? These guys are.

instant you take one of the top five tag teams ever by a lot of people's standards versus Asian Christian, the ratings given out or did not necessarily reflect the ratings of this show or this host. And they could be going against FTR, one of the best tag teams in modern wrestling. Right. But they put them up against Kip Sabian and Nick Wayne so they can build to the FTR match.

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Jesus Christ, I don't even know what these guys want me to make your day better? Try it. All right, so Darby Allen comes out to the ring. No, you're not doing a good job so far. Well, this segment was meant to piss you off. Darby Allen comes out to the ring, says, Mox, you still haven't answered my challenge for the forbidden door match. Goddamn, Darby and Mox in one segment. This is really going over for me. Right. Then Claudio puts...

Darby in a body bag hits the UFO on him and mocks comes out, you know, in typical mocks fashion. He goes, you want your challenge? You want your challenge? You know what I say to that? No. And so wasn't he when this whole thing started, wasn't he just asking people to step up and have the passion to do what needs to be done to run this company? Yeah. And even when he was champ, now he just doesn't want to wrestle. Even when he was champ, he would always say no until someone pushed him furthest. You know what I'm saying?

Right. Well then Osprey made his dramatic return after a legitimate surgery, I believe. Right. was going to say I thought he was going to be out for a while. Yeah. They when he said he was going to leave, he said he will be back by forbidden door. I thought he was going to try to be back by forbidden door. I thought he said he will be. Well, and here's the thing. Maybe I think he's might. I think he might be pushing himself too far. You think he's might? I think he's might. I think he's will. But the thing is.

Maybe I just haven't been AEW enough. Maybe it's been that long. I don't know. Anyways, Will Ospreay said, you know what? Since you're not going to answer Darby's challenge. yeah, I remember now. Will Ospreay says, you get your five best. I'll get my best five. And I'll challenge you to a Lights Out Steel Cage match.

which is essentially a no disqualification steel cage match. Let me explain wrestling rules to you. I'm sad. Real quick, let me explain this to you. So there are different types of match and when you have a one on one match that's called a traditional match. When you start putting stipulations in these are called gimmick matches. Now there are various types of gimmick matches, one of which includes a lights out. Lights out essentially means it's not sanctioned by the league you're performing.

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as well as an unsanctioned A no disqualification Hey, hey, hey, I got this, I got this. So a lights out match essentially means you are not sanctioned by the league you are working for, which we all know you really are because you're under contract and you can't just say, hey, this one doesn't count and the insurance company is going to be okay with that. That's not So would this match count for their win loss record? No, it shouldn't.

It's lights out. So actually, so what they what they're doing here is a lights out, which means you can do anything you want because there's no rules because you're not sanctioned by the league steel cage match. Now, the tricky part of this and the part that they really thought this through and they're going to give you everything they can because typically the rules of a steel cage match involve no rules. So wait a second. wait a second. So if it's a lights out.

Steel cage match and somebody gets out of the cage to the floor. Do they still win? Because there's no rules. I don't get what the hell they're doing. They're making a no rules no rules match.

And they're taking away the rules. They're getting negative rules by my understanding of English. When you have a double negative, it becomes a positive. So now this is a rules match. I'm guessing. So maybe there's some extra ones. I don't know. Please think shit through before you say it on live TV. You goddamn morons. This is a rules.

Holy shit. Not extreme rules, not no rules. This is a rules match. The Dean will be sitting there ringside. Tony's lawyer will be sitting ringside making up rules as we go. Smart Mark Starling. Yeah. Jesus. Anyway, here, here. You want me to get you back on track and get you a little bit excited? Hook was teased. I thought you were going to jump to the Triple H show. no.

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No, no, no, no, like hook no, we need to get past this treachery Listen listen So I like hook I think I think could can be a good wrestler I think he needs a little bit more personality because the whole no personality things gonna say his whole personality is not existent Well the whole no personality thing worked for him in the beginning, but I think we're kind of past that we need to evolve

So maybe he's been gone for a while. Yeah, maybe the hook signal. No, Tony, Shivani, show it to any. think it was Taz that started that wouldn't surprise me. No, because the whole the way he said it was the same way he did it for Sting. It's Sting. Exactly the same. But yeah, I think this could be good. Joe coming back from just a metal and hook coming back. Get the ops. Stupid as name.

Going again. really? thought you thought it was good. I love that. I don't know what to do with powerhouse Hobbs at that point though. Really? Put him in the North American title division. Team Lashley.

other notable notable. Notable. I read this first one. It's notable. Okay. Yeah. John Moxley beats Kevin Knight. What the hell is he with Moxley? Moxley is this brutal, hardcore, take no shit kind of champion and as soon as he loses, he wrestles Speedball Mike Bailey and Kevin Knight and the the remaining briscoe.

I can never remember which one's which. Mark. I think. Anyway, the remaining briscoe. That one works on the team of Willow Nightingale, Alex Windsor, Queen Aminata beat. Beat Mercedes Monet, Sky Blue and Tequila. Now reading this, have to assume Sky Blue took the 10. Got to take. Got to got to assume that. Have to. Well, not necessarily. They could have.

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That's just thick one and that says Mercedes money money Mercedes money money They could have had her lose. I mean they bring in people all the time to make him a big deal just Alexander and Just have him lose for no apparent reason. speaking of Josh Alexander in an all-star eight-man tag match

Hiromu?

Sure. Takahashi, Hologram, Brody King, and Yushii beat, the Young Bucks, Kyle Fletcher, and Yosh Alexander with Takahashi pinning Alexander. Pinning Alexander. Now, mind you, Yosh Alexander came in. I think we were still upstairs when he came in. Yeah. I want to say this was a good...

Four or five months ago. I don't think it's been that long. I was gonna say three but we might be at four by now. He has won I believe at most three matches. Now, I've had people who listen to this show give me **** about being hard on AEW. But if everybody will remember not that long ago, I said the Don Callis family could be the most dominant faction in pro wrestling. I absolutely loved what they were doing and what they were building with the Don Callis.

family now. It seems as if they're like, hey, why don't you come work for us? You are extremely talented. You could be the next big star. You could be a world champion, but you're in the non counts. You don't like winning though, right? You're cool with taking you're cool with jobbing out. You're even I mean, even though you're more talented than these guys that were having you lose to you. Okay. Okay, cool. Come with Don Callis family. Yeah, they're taking guys at the concession line just going, hey,

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Do you feel underutilized? Do you want to be even more underutilized? No shit, you take a wrong turn getting popcorn at an AEW show and you're in the Don Callis man at this point. And what the hell are they doing with Brody King? I don't know. Before long, him and the remaining Briscoe are going to have to have a match over who's the random tag partner. Who's the most random tag partner? We're just going to throw your ass in with somebody. Why not? Just tag those two up.

It would be that that would be the only random tag team that would make sense. Right. They can just they could just be the tag team specialist since they seem to tag team with everybody or the tag team randos tag whores. We are tag whores. She goes that family. I told you we're out. We're out of the family friendly today. That's that's dynamite. That dude turned the notifications off. I I did, man. My bad. No, you just turned the volume down.

I don't normally have notifications on. me a goddamn break. How old are you? Seventy? Forty-two. No, you are not. Fifty-seven? No, you're not. No, see what you don't know. You're fifty. There you go. Great. Are you gonna my social security number next? Come on. Knock that shit 054. Redacted. Okay. So where were we? Harley Cameron onto AEW collision, the August 16th, 2025.

episodes. Sweet. Yes. Harley Cameron returns in theatrical fashion. After a broken nose put her on the shelf, Harley Cameron made a dramatic return with a chain in hand crashing into a post-match brawl between the entire women's men card division, including Chris Statlander, Anna J, Tay Mello, Queen Amenada, Julia Hart, Sky Blue, Tequila,

and Penelope Ford. Three of those people were in Wednesdays.

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And Chris Stetlander fresh off winning $100,000 in a four way match because evidently Tony Khan doesn't pay his people. Tony, I know you think throwing a $100,000 match on every other week makes it look like you're rolling in the dough, but what it looks like is you're not paying your goddamn people. All right, we got to wrestle, fight a little harder. Hey, how are we going to get a good match out of these four? Throw a hundred grand at them because we don't pay them shit. Yay.

Nigel McGinnis is back restaurant, didn't I? Nope, you said fresh off of winning $100,000. Oh, yeah, yeah. Moxley was backstage supporting Stoutlander. Because she won. Some god awful reason. Yeah, anyways, Nigel McGinnis wins a title shot. He beat Daniel Garcia, Lee Moriarty, and Heathy Ciro to earn a shot at Zack Sabre Jr.'s IWGP Heavyweight Championship at Forbidden Door. I love me some Nigel.

I want to put this out there. I will be watching forbidden door over heatwave We'll see what I'm watching because my problem here there's a lot of matches in forbidden door that could have been on dynamite As you Christian versus the patriarchy, right? I mean the some of these things don't make sense to me as as them being forbidden door, right? know, me the cross promotion on forbidden door and I love Nigel

Absolutely love him. He's he's not what he used to be. He was a great in-ring wrestler. He was a great technician Love him Zack Sabre is one of the best Hold for hold mat wrestlers in the world that I've seen in a long time But nobody can seriously for a second think that night we can it's just gonna win this match I do too, but it isn't gonna happen, right? After McInnis won his match he asked

Daniel Garcia to be in his corner and Daniel Garcia accepted which people think is going to result in a heel turn. Didn't Danny just turn face not a long ago? I don't know. And not that, you know, not the cohesive storylines or even making a goddamn point matters in this division. So AEW's newest signing, Ace Austin made his AEW debut against Ricochet and

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Lost. You lost. You lost. Another great move. Good one, Tony. Good one. I like Ace. Ace is... I do too. Ace. I like Ace Austin, though. He's a fun guy to watch in a ring. Used to be a tag team partner with Fulton. Who will be back at V1P September 13th. Back to old school facing simply sexy Sean Blaze.

for the V1P World Heavyweight Championship. Tickets available now. So, Ace Austin made his debut.

And he lost. So then we move on to tag team action with are they still the paragon with Adam Colbay, baby, you know, or are they just Undisputed Era. They're just strong O'Reilly or they O'Reilly strong. wait. No, it sounds like he has cancer. Never mind. Huh? Is that like, whatever it's something strong, it's like somebody has a disease and their family is supporting them. It's like it's like Billy Strong because Billy has the dude's name is Billy Strong.

So Roderick has cancer? No, I'm just saying they can't go with O'Reilly Strong. His last name is Strong. No, that's just his last name. Well, right, but you said- Shut up. Okay.

worst evict and Castello routine ever. The what? Never mind. They beat Roderick Strong and Kylo Riley beat Blake Christian and Lee Moriart. Sorry, Lee Johnson. Who is Lee Johnson? He was Blake Christian's safety partner. That's all I got. Blake Christian's Brandon's boy. I know. Brandon's gonna hate us. That's all right. He already gets pissed off when I go off on AEW or whatever. With their high low. Or total domination if you're

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or total elimination, I'm sorry, if you're an old ECW fan. Sure, old. Yes. Other notable matches include, Gears Robinson beat Brian Keith. And Timeless Tony Storm delivered a promo, cut a promo to the crowd, only to be interrupted shortly after. But it doesn't say by who, so they're obviously not important. I'm guessing Athena since that's she's feeding with.

Feeding with? Did I say feeding with? I meant feuding with, sorry. Onto Summerslam. Oh, wait a minute. you just mistyped. Shut up. Things happen. Onto AAA, TripleMania33xxxiiii. Did you just say XXXIII? Yeah. Not 33? I did say, I said 33 first. Okay, sorry. I just heard you actually speaking the Roman numerals. I'm like, Jesus Christ, I failed this kid.

No, I said 33 first. Let's kick off with the opening match. First and foremost, anybody who had a question about whether WWE was going to help or hurt AAA, at least in the short term, they are helping because this is the by far the biggest show, the biggest lucha libre show ever. Yes. So the...

Opening contest was a Copa Bardal, which is like a Royal Rumble. It's the exact same as the Rumble, except you can also get eliminated via pinfalls or submissions. Which was crazy. It kind of threw me because I came in just as Microman took out Otis. I was like, you heard that right. I was like, well, he just pinned him. What the hell is this? So I thought it was like, because I didn't know the rules. So I come in and Microman's already in there. The other big surprise is already in there.

And yeah, you're funny. And I had no idea what that this was like a battle royal type thing, right? So this type thing, whereas it was an elimination type thing. Uh huh. And so when he pinned Otis, I'm like, seriously? Right. The thing of the match is over. No, it was like, oh, my man won the hell's going on. Yeah, my man. My man, by the way, three, three, three foot three, making him the shortest wrestler.

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ever in WWE.

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By four inches. By four inches. Holy hell. That's three seven. The giant of the midget division at three seven. No, giant of the midget division is hornswog. We probably shouldn't be saying that word considering it's a slur. It's the N word. No, it's not. We're saying that one. Say the N word. Love Brad Williams. He's pretty short, too. Say hornswog.

Would you get on with the match? the big surprise here. Obviously, Micro Man, know, three foot three, eliminating his bodyguard, Otis. And then Omas comes out. No, no, Omas was out when Otis was there. yeah, you're right. I know. Because they had a square off and Omas dominated him. I was so happy when Omas came back. So happy. I think it's actually listed as a triple A star now.

I we'll have to check the roster but well it doesn't matter because they've had They're having triple-a guys come up and wrestle. Well, yeah, but I want to beat so No, Omos is gonna be a special attraction in WWE They're gonna use him to boost sales because when you look in the world of lucha libre, you don't see too many Giants in lucha libre. So he's going to be a really unique thing there. I suppose Yeah, but he came back and he won actually

He beat La Parca Laredo kid tort Taurus Taurus and octagon jr. Yeah, look up the picture of Omas and microman standing face to face my god, look up the picture of Omas and Omas with microman on his shoulders microman this is backstage after the microman's on his shoulders They're both, you flexing microman is up to his head. That's crazy Sit sitting on his shoulder microman is up to his head

And by the way, the way Omas eliminated Micro Man threw him out of the ring. By press slamming him above his head. He held him above his head and then just kind of tossed him out onto a couple of guys. No, no, he dropped him down. He dropped him down to waist level, which is, you know, still like five feet, five feet. Which is still more than twice as tall as Micro Six six, huh? So where are we at now? We had... We'll go in...

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We're going to go with JD next? Yes. JD and JD. That's crazy. Finn Balor, JD McDonough, and Raquel Rodriguez faced off against Mr. Iguana.

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Niño Hamburguesa in Loa Vice. You know what that means in English? The son of the hamburger? Boy hamburger. Boy hamburger! Or hamburger boy. Hamburger boy! So like, was he dressed like the cheeseburger at least? He was dressed like a superhero. man, I gotta go back and look at that. If he was dressed as a hamburger, he might be my new favorite wrestler. Niño Hamburguesa. Yeah baby! Hamburger boy! And you know, Mr. Iguana has his puppet, La Esca.

So Finn Balor is up, there's a point in the match where Finn Balor is up. I'll do the commentary here. Finn Balor is up on the apron, right? He's got a bag over his hand. Like, what are we doing? Let me pause you here for one second. I'm going to let you have your commentary part, but I just want to say I'm not a huge fan of JBL because in real life he's a giant dick. However, in this particular scene, JBL and Corey Graves are gold.

even make listening to Conan talk bearable. my god, they had a tribute to Conan? I didn't know she was that jacked ever. yeah. My goodness. Anyways, sorry, I'm getting sidetracked with my men. He's all about them big meaty men. Slapping meat. Yeah, Battler has a bag over his hand, takes it off, and it's the demon.

And while this is going on, JBL, before Valor even takes the bag off, he goes, is this what the prophecy is talking about? Is this what the prophecy foretold? And he takes the bag off. goes, it's Demonito! Demonito! Demonito! Corey Graves goes, what the hell are you talking about? So then we proceed to have a puppet fight. Puppet fight. Where Demonito wins.

Demonito by the way means little demon. No you guys know I'm not a huge fan of a lot of comedy and wrestling But I'll be damned at this one. First of all, mr. Iguana It's funny as shit his expressions. Yeah He wrestled he did they do the legs up thing. I love that shit. He had the puppet in hand right and Baller took the

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His back off and him and the puppet looked at each other jaws open Look back looked at each other look back Man, the facial expressions that mr. Iguana can give are just there second to none. They're outstanding So the judgment they end up winning this right? Yeah. Yeah, so pretty fun demonito All areas. What's her face? Yeah, she pinned Lola. Oh No, I'm sorry

love Lola, Lola's awesome. Flammer retained her title in a three-way clash against- that Flammer or Flamer? I don't know, that's a good question. Let's go with Flammer. It sounds nicer. Does it? Yeah, it's little less derogatory. What's Flamer?

We'll talk off the air. Well, are removing... Flammer retained her title in a triple threat against Fabi Apache and Natalia. I think it's Apache. Like the Indian. Yeah, probably.

I'm gonna guess so. Okay, Then we go to the Tag Team Street Fight. I saw the end of I did not. I did not. I looked over... Barbed wire wrapped Spanish Fly. I look over and I see the three count. I'm like, okay. Because I really only cared about the first match and the main event. I need to go back and watch this match because the highlights I saw from it looked absolutely amazing.

Pagano and psycho clown are great in rain by the way Los Garzos coming out in the Spartan attire Look bad. I they need to wear that every time. Yes, I looked over cuz again only cared about the first and last magic So I'm playing Minecraft with my friends right YouTube on in the background. I Look over I see the get these guys and slake Spartan type helmets and I go who's that? Then I'm like, my god, is that Los Garzos? They take their masks off or helmets off. I'm like,

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My god, yeah, they look badass. I really enjoyed their entrance. Yes. Um, Pango and cycle clown beat them for the titles. Yes, like I said barbed wire wrapped Spanish fly Look that look rough as shit. We had the Latin American championship up with El Mesa's Versus al he ho de dr. Wagner jr. So

Yes, it is I'm guessing dr. Wagner's grandson, right? I'd assume. All right. Anyway, we have a I can see we have a new champion and he ho day dr. Wagner Jr. And in our main event he hoedel Vikingo Defended his championship against dirty Dom Dragon Lee and

which in this match ended up being not one not two

Three! El Grande Americanos! No uno, no dos, pero tres! El Grande Americanos!

Which I gotta believe is Tyler Bate and and Petey Doon, right? Petey Doonay. Petey Doonay. Where's Pretty Deadly then? I don't know. They're going to be the next two. There's going to be an entire stable of El Grande Americanos. I need an El Grande Americanos war games. I have El Vente Americano, El Grande Americano, and El Tall Americano.

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get that reference. All right, there we go. Yeah, this was a good match. Vikingo actually retained due to... mysterious masked man coming down and stopping Dirty Dom from winning. It It was AJ. I could tell immediately because he was on the apron and AJ has a very, very signature classic forearm.

to it wasn't even he didn't even go for it. Well, that's that's the setup for the final form, but he didn't go for the phenomenal. I know, but that's the the move he did was to set up for the final form when that's that's the part when he hit it. Right. He had no question. He hits the forearm, but jumping in like kind of the Superman punch pose with the mask still on. I'm like, that's AJ. That's which makes AJ one of the greatest haters ever. This dude has gone to Australia.

and Mexico just burning his frequent flyer miles. Right. Just to screw over the guy. He's not even in the match. No, not a match on the card. Just show up for three minutes screwing somebody over and fly home. What a guy. Dominic hits El Grande Americana with that steel plate and Dom's mask. And then AJ attacks him, whatever. El Hijo sets up.

Dom for his 430 630 630 630 and you know, I was thinking this gave El Grande Americano enough time to recover and Throw Vikingo out of the ring, but he didn't Vikingo retained he did and afterwards Dom was complaining and bitching and saying that he He wanted a rematch because it wasn't fair

And he gets one. He gets one. One on one with the Viking Goat. At Worlds Collide. September 12th. Friday. good. At three. No, no, no, no. Rod next week is three. It might be, it is immediately following SmackDown. It's at 10 Eastern time. No it is not. It's at three.

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What's it feel like to be wrong all the time? Well, I wouldn't know because I'm not. Worlds collide 2025 September. Keep going. It says on. I'll be. What time is that on East Coast? It's hard to read. I'm pretty sure it's immediately following Smackdown because they just said it on Smackdown. Looks like a three.

Well, on Raw, never mind. We haven't gotten to Raw yet. And that's our recap of wrestling for this week. We do have a few things that we'd like to chat about. Do we? Oh, yes. Our cross watch. We do our cross watch. I am still 100 % certain that this is a work. Are you? Yep. 100%. I am not. am. Too many things seem way too coincidental and it might be.

It might be a worked shoot. What do mean? Maybe his contract did run out. Right. And maybe he is technically not under contract right now. you think they're going to resign him? Yeah, 100 percent. And he knows they're going to resign him. They've already talked this out. But there's, look, again, there's zero chance that his book happened to come out the week of his contracts coming up. I believe that. Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah. Why not? I mean, so there's.

And it's also a pretty good chance that it came out under a WWE book label, right? And there's also a pretty good chance that during SummerSlam, Sami Zayn was talking up this book, right? And it's also a pretty good chance that his contract just happened to retire. So he has time to go to some book signings and do a tour for the book. about Becky when her book came out? Okay. Hang on. Okay. Are you going to circle back to that or just completely disregard it? No, there's no reason because the storyline didn't match up to where they're going. Okay.

And it's also purely coincidental that Killer Cross just announced between now and December six shows. Did he? Every single one of them is a convention. He's not wrestling on any of them. And it's also purely coincidental that this guy who just got released and doesn't have a job is charging a ridiculous like pricing himself out of indie wrestling.

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I'm sorry, until December? I have to wait until December for Kross to come back? No, he'll be back before that, but he'll be at these cons. Clash in Paris. Yeah. I don't know about Clash in Paris, but he'll be at these cons. So this guy who is so upset and so sad that he didn't get an offer to wrestle hasn't taken a wrestling booking yet.

Huh. Weird. Almost like he has plans set up already. Damn. It's gonna be really funny when you're wrong. Wonder what they could be.

You see, still think this is legit. You think he legitimately has no tie to WWE right now. I would say no tie, but I don't think he's.

As I said, he might not be under contract with WWE right now. And that's what I believe. But he's only not under contract in name.

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He knows he's going I have first of all, I don't believe he's not under contract. I believe maybe his contract expired. Mm hmm. So they could say, hey, my contract expired. And then because his big thing is or no, he might not be under contract, but know that he's going to after his book tour. Because his big thing is I swear to you guys that I'm not lying, my contract expired.

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Hmm Did he say he was released he wasn't released his contract expired WWE's not did he say he's not employed I Don't remember he might have said he's not with WWE

So then no, no, because if he hasn't signed a contract, he's not. But if he knows full well. That as soon as this book tour is done. He's going right back because he already has the contract sitting on his coffee table. All he's got to do is sign it and he's going to go right back into the storyline that him and Hunter already put together. Also, the we want crosscance at Smackdown for deafening. Right. I saw a we want cross sign that bra in the future.

the next week. I'm a prophet. that's where I'm going. I still say cross, not a chance that this is that he doesn't end up back in WWE. That's the hope. That's the hope. Have you seen the rumors about Chris Jericho? I have. How do you feel about that? Sorry, the rumors about Chris Jericho are that his AEW contract is up in December. Yes. And he told AEW, hey, you know what, guys?

Yeah, I have no problem. I'll sign a new contract. They said, you can try. AEW said, let's just see what's going on. AEW goes, we have a problem. Then a fan put something up that said Chris Jericho back to WWE. And Jericho liked it. He liked the tweet.

What? I'm going to stop you right there. Okay, go ahead. Because LA Knight liked to post a comment or whatever that said, if LA Knight isn't like, if you're not pushing LA Knight right now, then you might as well release him. He liked that comment. Wrestlers like comments to fuel storylines and to fuel speculations. I purely believe he liked that comment because they were talking good about him. Right.

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Not to fuel storylines, not to cause speculations, not to say, went out of this, just because that guy said push LA night. Maybe. Solely believe that's the only reason he'd like that comment. I can't believe it's the only reason. Like I said, in this day and age, it's so hard to blur the lines because of how much media coverage there is. Right. You got to take any avenue you can to try to throw a little speculation in there, just to

just keep things lively. So and that could be all this thing is with Jericho, but maybe it's not. I don't know. What do you feel about it?

He'd have to I don't even know who I'd want to see him rustle. He's gonna come in Russell ko. You just made the list I hope yeah, just I don't hope he brings the list back. That's all I care about don't know as long as he drops this learning tree nonsense. No. my goodness bring back bring big bill with him No, no big bill worries that big gas Yeah, I just don't see it so we've we've gone through a couple of storylines a couple of

We will do we will be doing a weekly cross check Cross check. I like that's a hockey term right cross check. We forgot our tag team bracket Sure did But it's too late to go into it. I'm say we'll get that next week. Yeah, we're just not we're falling off man I really actually have to like write a script for this shit so we can stay on track. So at any rate We need to get into our med in takes. What's yours?

There's a lot of things that You don't have one. don't know though. The whole cross thing has been just such a big Thing in my head right now. Have you seen did you see Lesnar's daughter saying she wants to wrestle with in the next year? No. Yeah, she Have you seen Lesnar's daughter? First of all? Yeah that she looks like Brock Lesnar. Yes. She said she was Jeans were not in that once. So ever she's a champion shot putter in college. She wants to

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start wrestling, she said, within the next year. So that'll be something to keep an eye on. So how do you feel about nepotism in wrestling? Whoops. I don't care. Do you know what that is? Yeah. Okay. Like Cody, just because Dusty didn't win the championship, Cody's getting pushed to the moon and winning the championship. Or Charlotte Flair, just because Rick won 16 titles, Charlotte deserves to break the record, even though she sucks.

The one I would actually give. The bloodline. OK, hang on. The biggest one I would actually give is Dom. Now Dom is great. Don't get me wrong. Now Dom is great. When Dom started, it was very obvious the only reason that dude had a job at the level he had was because of his dad. know, Charlotte, even when Charlotte started, she was still good. She was actually I think she was probably better than. Because she didn't have the Chinese ego.

Let's see, I mean she could go with whoever was in the ring.

Cody was always at least decent even when he very first started. Jimmy and Jay. But Dom? Dom was not good when he first started. What are your thoughts on the bloodline continuing? It's going to continue forever. I'm fine with it. Bring some more in.

you throw out a bad one it's fine saw a tweet that said uh Jimmy's baby's going to uh retire uh he's gonna retire Cody all right so we ready now that I stalled long enough hopefully do you have a maddening take by the way? oh okay damn I'll think of one okay so oh I got one typically I don't agree uh I don't typically agree with a lot of people in wrestling like me however I'm gonna go ahead and I'm gonna I'm gonna steal bully rays on this

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And I cross. Yeah. OK. And I don't know that it's a bad name take, but it's just a damn cool idea. And I want to get it out there. So I'm going to use it. Carrying cross, killer cross, whatever you want to call it. The killer needs to whether this is a work or a shoot. Needs to book a bus, book a plane, whatever he has to do to get to Monday Night Raw every week. He needs to announce he's going to be there in the parking lot to have fans sign a petition.

If this is a work, WWE looks great bringing him into it. And if this is a shoot and then they don't resign him after all these petitions, WWE looks terrible and cross looks strong as shit. Either way, whether cross goes back to WWE, he's going to look strong as shit. And if he doesn't go back to WWE, he is getting bank wherever the hell else he goes. Right. Which for the record.

Maybe I'll include this in my maddening take. I do not think should be AEW, not just because I don't like them. I think his style and the need for top level talent, New Japan would be the better place for him to go. that's a great take. On the cross. Like Jesus? No. Okay. On the cross topic. I forgot the word. sorry, my bad. You know his whole promo about, you know, I was supposed to be a good soldier, but then...

I got released. I heard stuff that said Triple H wasn't happy with that. And Cross had to explain to Triple H that that was a work. And then three days later, they start selling good Soldier shirts. Hmm. Yeah. I don't know. So what you got? I think Raw Tag Team Division, bit stale.

That's not a maddening take that is just reality. Oh, I know. Oh, sorry. Sorry leading in my bad leading. All go for it There are a couple tag teams some old ones some like by old I mean broken up tight. Oh, Um, no, not them Um that could help the tag division Those tag teams you're really making it hard for me not to say who again those tag teams being

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The family? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Took me a second, I'm like, what family? Dark state. Dark state? Call of Undark state? I'm not sure after the couple losses that they took, I'm not sure. And pretty deadly.

my god, yeah I know that's a hot take cause you're just all about pretty deadly. I don't think that they can do much.

I'd rather see New Catch Republic take the mask off and be New Catch Republic again. That's a good one. El Grande Americanos. Jesus Christ.

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So I think can strengthen the raw tag team division. Is those those three parentheses for, I don't know. Is there nobody else in NXT we can call up? Hank and Tank. Yeah, seriously. What the hell is the tag team division at NXT right now? Tank, the calling, Casey University, Dark State.

Yeah. That's it. That is it. So now high rise. high rise. I think they could make it. They could be a good. Yeah, it's definitely a good one. I didn't think about that. OK, replace. Dark state. So basically what you're saying is your maddening take is that the pretty deadly. Pretty deadly needs to return. All right, we'll just run with it. That's fine. So I forgot one this week as we as we come to a.

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